Healthiest Anti-E for Neverending Test Cycle

[squatalot]

I'm 30 and heavy AAS use in my early twenties has left me permanently shut down. Forturnately, I managed to make at least one sperm cell and have a child. I've since divorced and plan to have no more kids.

Doc has me on Cyp for HRT and I plan to add to that. I don't want to do one or two big cycles a year, as I am VERY prone to sides and have already had gyno surgery.

So, here's my plan. I will add prop to the cycle and live off of 400mg total test a week long term. Then, a week out from periodic blood work, I'll just drop the prop and be left with my original HRT dosage.

Question is, what is the healthiest Anti-E for long term use?? I'm aware that years and years at 400mg test will take its toll, but I'm a big boy and the pro's outweigh the cons to me. I just want to make the healthiest decision in regards to long-term Anti-E usage as I know it can F up my lipid profile.

I was thinking of 20mg nolva daily. If there are any other healthy perma-cyclers, I'd appreciate your input.

[WARMachine]

Wait a second. Did i misread that, or are suggesting to run 400mgs a week year round? Or is it 400mgs for your cycle? You confused me there.

-WAR

[squatalot]

400 mg a week...year round

[CHUCKYthentic]

so you re saying you re gonna run 400mg/week of prop "long term" taking an occasional week of for blood work?

how long term are we talkin? im a little confused

[CHUCKYthentic]

damn im slow! shouldnt watch espn at the same time haha

so you re only gonna do this for a year or years?

[squatalot]

Who knows how I will feel in a year or 10 years, but if the negative health effects are minimal, I intend to stay at that dosage longterm.

[CHUCKYthentic]

well im not really aware of the long term affects of AI's, might want to wait for someone to touch on that

BUT, for on cycle estrogen control best bet is arimidex at either .25mg EOD or .5mg EOD. dose kinda depends on the person

now if u STILL have probs with raised estrogen then you will need to use nolvadex for awhile

how long? i dont know. if it were say a 12 weeks cycle and estrogen flared up say week 7, then u would have to use it at a low dose for the rest of the way out. in your case, if this were to happen, im not sure

[Vitruvian-Man]

Doc has me on Cyp for HRT and I plan to add to that. I don't want to do one or two big cycles a year, as I am VERY prone to sides and have already had gyno surgery.

This is such a odd idea... why don't you just cruise and blast?

Sticking to 400mg of test for 56+ weeks will reek havoc on your lipid profile...

I would imagine your creatinine values, and kidney function, would be fairly impacted from such a long "blast"..

Stick to 150 - 200mg test EW.... and then blast @ 400mg EW for (x) # of weeks.

^^ I don't understand how these "sides" are going to affect you any differently then if you increase the dosage by 200mg. Do you mean acne? lol. I mean WTF...??

Have you ever thought about sticking to a TRT dosage, and then using other compounds that don't have "those sides" you dread... (IE) keep test @ 200mg... but add NPP or T-bol, etc for a duration..

[squatalot]

Maybe my logic is wrong...

Obviously, I'm not coming off. At minimum, I'm staying on 200mg HRT.

I just assumed that staying at 400mg would be healthier and maintain stable gains as opposed to staying at 200mg and then hitting two cycles a year.

If anyone experienced in longterm use can chime in, please do so. I'm a competitive powerlifter and do approx 2 meets a year. Maybe the healthier approach would be two big cycles (12 weeks each) with the usual HRT dosage in between.

Advice appreciated.

In the past, I just felt like shit once the total mg's started climbing over 1000 per week. I was also looking to avoid the cherry red face and excessive sweating that I always got from larger cycles. I figured at 400mg, I'd make nice solid gains and "fly under the radar" with no juice-head accusations cuz I blow up and shrink back down through the course of a year.

A friend of mine stays on 400mg cyp (lucky bastard's pharmacy doubled his script accidentally) and he has no health problems.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Maybe my logic is wrong...

Obviously, I'm not coming off. At minimum, I'm staying on 200mg HRT.

I just assumed that staying at 400mg would be healthier and maintain stable gains as opposed to staying at 200mg and then hitting two cycles a year.

If anyone experienced in longterm use can chime in, please do so. I'm a competitive powerlifter and do approx 2 meets a year. Maybe the healthier approach would be two big cycles (12 weeks each) with the usual HRT dosage in between.

Advice appreciated.

In the past, I just felt like shit once the total mg's started climbing over 1000 per week. I was also looking to avoid the cherry red face and excessive sweating that I always got from larger cycles. I figured at 400mg, I'd make nice solid gains and "fly under the radar" with no juice-head accusations cuz I blow up and shrink back down through the course of a year.

A friend of mine stays on 400mg cyp (lucky bastard's pharmacy doubled his script accidentally) and he has no health problems.

Head over to the over 40 forum.

Or search "cruise and blast".

I explained it pretty clearly in my past post though... Perhaps just re-read that...

[saltydog1820]

Nevermind.

[squatalot]

I used letro in previous cycles and it wrecked my HDL. My HDL was low 20's and it took two years of niacin supplementation to get back up to a healthy level of 55. For longterm use, I think I need to watch my dosages so that I can stay clear of AI's. Gotta have some estrogen to be healthy, I guess. Longterm balance may take some trial, error, and bloodwork.

[Duma23]

should imagine aromasin is best for long term use as its nice on lipid lvls

[muse26]

i've been on 500 mgs sus for over 4 years straight and i can tell you i'm soory i ever started it. my estro is up and i'm bloated althogh i've been on 50mgs aromasin for the last 2.5-3 years.
now i'm on letro 2.5 mgs for 2 weeks now.
i am ****ed for life.
i urged you not to blast for to long.

[harey_ny03]

you shouldnt be doing anything except your adiminstred dose if you want to live healthy life at the age of 50 and beyond, beware of cardiac arrest, check up with your prostate, risk is high, be good!

[Chev]

400 year round sounds crazy! Why not run a cycle for 8-12 weeks, run a TRT of 150-200 for 8-12 weeks and then start another cycle? You have a kid, you want to be around later in life to see them right??

[The Deuce]

Sticking to 400mg of test for 56+ weeks will reek havoc on your lipid profile...

I would imagine your creatinine values, and kidney function, would be fairly impacted from such a long "blast"..

Excuse me, but ummm.. What evidence do YOU have to back this up?? Just curious??

I cruise at 300-400mgs EW of Cyp and blast from 600- 700-1000mgs per week on cycle.. depends on how I feel...

My Lipids are fine.. better than the average JOE'S actually... I have bloodwork done every 4 weeks.. sometimes every 6... just to see where I am at...anyways...

Maybe I am a rare case but as far as I KNEW.. there was no study ever showing that anything above 200mgs EW will cause harm in any way...

DOCTOR'S use 200mgs as a baseline because that is the dose that will usually return a normal low testosterone male to normal... 400mgs is NOT excessive.. especially if you are indicative to have the Testosterone injected into you on a weekly basis.. as with anything.. you adjust and become immune.. a TOLERANCE is built.

I dont wanna get into a pissing contest with you man, but I am almost willing to bet you could run 1000mgs EW for life and as long as you ate healthy and maintained a decent cardio program and made regular doc visits and had bloodwork done on the regular.. that u could get away with running that much.. JMHO...

And NO YOU NOOBS Don't go blastin 1 gram per week.. that just ignorant.. I am referring to those who regularly use and are on YEAR ROUND and have developed a tolerance to the compound... I myself see MINIMAL gains from 400 per week.. when I hit 600 that seems to be my sweet spot right now.. between 6-700mgs EW of Testosterone (insert ester here)

Now I COULD be wrong.. and this could be unhealthy, but.. at 200mgs per week.. I feel nothing.. zero libido increase, gains start retracting.. minimally but they do.. but then again...


MAYBE I AM JUST A SPECIAL CASE !!


Just my .02 cents...