Why the Natty PB with the Casein

[First6]

So I finally have my diet in check. I am thrilled! I feel like I'm in an elite club or something! lol THANKS to mg1228. I never could have done it without him.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423912 If your interested.

So last night around 10:30 I was making the casein shake and very interested to see what it was going to taste like since I have never had it. (I have had some rockin bad stuff from time to time - especially in chocolate flavor like this was) I put the natty pb in and "here goes nuthin"....
Holy crap it was like drinking a peanut butter cup! I almost made a second one right on the spot.

Okay finally getting to the question here. A lot of the guys on the board use it in the before bed shake. Am I gonna keep doing it...you couldn't make me stop....just want to know what the benefit is. I need to "understand" my diet so I can get the best out of it now and future.

Thanks.

[RoadToRecovery]

There is little to no difference between natural peanut butter and say, JIF peanut butter. Some companies may have slightly higher sugar in their non natural peanut butter.

Q:Is there a huge difference between regular peanut butter and natural peanut butter?

A:Peanut butter today is remarkably like that made 100 years ago. All peanut butter must, by law, contain a minimum of 90% peanuts. Both natural and regular peanut butters may contain some sugar and salt for flavoring. Some brands also contain a small amount of stabilizer (partially hydrogenated vegetable oil) to keep the oil from separating, which most consumers prefer. This also helps maintain peanut butter freshness.

[RoadToRecovery]

Misread the intentions of the question - Its really a preference... peanut butter is not a complete protein so I do not see a benefit in eating it with a shake.

[baseline_9]

The reason tat is a good combo is;

Casein is a slow digesting protein (good before bed to get you throught the night)
Peanut Butter is high in fat

Eating fats will further slow the digstion of the food consumed.

Also both products provide little carbs which can be advised before bed while trying to loose weight

[gbrice75]

There is little to no difference between natural peanut butter and say, JIF peanut butter. Some companies may have slightly higher sugar in their non natural peanut butter.

With all due respect, I completely disagree. Read the ingredients on natural PB. I don't know about yours, but mine says: Roasted Peanuts, Sea Salt. Now read the ingredients on Skippy, Jif, etc. - you're going to see a bunch of other crap in there. The difference is minimillay processed vs. highly processed, aside from the MUCH higher sugar content.

Q:Is there a huge difference between regular peanut butter and natural peanut butter?

A:Peanut butter today is remarkably like that made 100 years ago. All peanut butter must, by law, contain a minimum of 90% peanuts. Both natural and regular peanut butters may contain some sugar and salt for flavoring. Some brands also contain a small amount of stabilizer (partially hydrogenated vegetable oil) to keep the oil from separating, which most consumers prefer. This also helps maintain peanut butter freshness.

See bold. To the OP - are you using Optimum Nutrition Casein? It's the greatest! I've had the chocolate and vanilla; if that is the brand you're using, just wait until you try the vanilla!

[mg1228]

its just a decent fat source---dont get the kind with hydrogenated oils---sugar content should b 1gr or less

u could do any good fat source--i do udos oil from time to time---the pb just tastes so much better---more like a treat

[gbrice75]

the reason tat is a good combo is;

casein is a slow digesting protein (good before bed to get you throught the night)
peanut butter is high in fat

eating fats will further slow the digstion of the food consumed.

Also both products provide little carbs which can be advised before bed while trying to loose weight

^^^x2

[mg1228]

agree---big difference between natural pb and regular pb

[RoadToRecovery]

MADE FROM ROASTED PEANUTS AND SUGAR.
CONTAINS 2% OR LESS OF: MOLASSES, FULLY HYDROGENATED VEGETABLE OILS (RAPESEED AND SOYBEAN), MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, SALT.

The difference in the added stabilizer and flavoring (molasses) poses no nutritional value difference. It really boils down to preference. Its like counting the coating on multivitamin capsules as a processed food.

[RoadToRecovery]

GBrice - Nothing wrong with disagreeing. However I am yet to see any evidence indicating that Peanut butter with stablization is processed differently then natural peanutbutter.

[mg1228]

dude real natty pb has the ingredients of peanuts---the others have a list of ingredients---the coating on a multiviamin is a very bad analogy--it doesnt boil down to preference as far as it being useful in these type diets---quit giving bad advice

[JasonT]

See bold. To the OP - are you using Optimum Nutrition Casein? It's the greatest! I've had the chocolate and vanilla; if that is the brand you're using, just wait until you try the vanilla!

I've had both those flavors, my favorite is the cookies n cream by far.


OP, you mixing it with water or milk? I'm going to start throwing in some natty pb, i've been drinking 2 scoops with 2 cups milk.

[JasonT]

I've had both those flavors, my favorite is the cookies n cream by far.


OP, you mixing it with water or milk? I'm going to start throwing in some natty pb, i've been drinking 2 scoops with 2 cups milk.

Nevermind the question...just read it in your thread

[First6]

See bold. To the OP - are you using Optimum Nutrition Casein? It's the greatest! I've had the chocolate and vanilla; if that is the brand you're using, just wait until you try the vanilla!

Yup that's the stuff! I think they are trying to fake us out. It's actually candy ground into a powder.

[First6]

I've had both those flavors, my favorite is the cookies n cream by far.


OP, you mixing it with water or milk? I'm going to start throwing in some natty pb, i've been drinking 2 scoops with 2 cups milk.

With water - I did 1 scoop and 1 tbsp

[First6]

Nevermind the question...just read it in your thread

oops, I should have read the next post before i responded to the other one.

[RoadToRecovery]

dude real natty pb has the ingredients of peanuts---the others have a list of ingredients---the coating on a multiviamin is a very bad analogy--it doesnt boil down to preference as far as it being useful in these type diets---quit giving bad advice

How am I giving bad advice? Because you disagree? Id love to hear your scientific explanation of why you consider stabilized peanut butter unhealthy?

Also - a capsule is actually made of animal and vegetable matter. How is that a bad analogy

Dont be afraid to be open to others point of view.

[First6]

its just a decent fat source---dont get the kind with hydrogenated oils---sugar content should b 1gr or less

u could do any good fat source--i do udos oil from time to time---the pb just tastes so much better---more like a treat

Thanks. I got Naturally More brand. Ever tried it? It has flax seeds and omega 3's in it. (might be stating the obvious I dont know)

I looked for udos 3-6-9 at GNC and they didn't have it... where do you get it?

[mg1228]

i get it online---i use smartbalance pb---good

[First6]

i get it online---i use smartbalance pb---good

Yeah I saw that. The Naturally More is acceptable. Don't know if I would say good.
Great in the shake though. I want one now!

[RoadToRecovery]

Excerpt from PEANUT BUTTER A GREAT RUNNER'S FOOD article -

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/...883-0,00.html#

"All-natural" brands don't have anything mixed with the peanuts, and so the natural oil in the peanuts separates and pools on top of the jar (stir the peanuts and oil together when you want to make it spreadable). But when you talk about the different kinds of peanut butter, a canard can come into play (a canard is a false statement widely held to be true). The canard about peanut butter is this: The all-natural brands have nothing added to them, so they are more nutritious and "better for you" than the commercial brands.

This simply is not true, says Kearney. "There is the same amount of protein, carbohydrate, fiber, and unsaturated fat in the commercial brand as in the all-natural brands," says Kearney. "And the amount of saturated fat that is added to make the commercial brands easier to spread is negligible. In fact, it's less than .0001 of a gram in a 2 tablespoon serving."

[Damienm05]

So I finally have my diet in check. I am thrilled! I feel like I'm in an elite club or something! lol THANKS to mg1228. I never could have done it without him.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=423912 If your interested.

So last night around 10:30 I was making the casein shake and very interested to see what it was going to taste like since I have never had it. (I have had some rockin bad stuff from time to time - especially in chocolate flavor like this was) I put the natty pb in and "here goes nuthin"....
Holy crap it was like drinking a peanut butter cup! I almost made a second one right on the spot.

Okay finally getting to the question here. A lot of the guys on the board use it in the before bed shake. Am I gonna keep doing it...you couldn't make me stop....just want to know what the benefit is. I need to "understand" my diet so I can get the best out of it now and future.

Thanks.

A few reasons.

A) it makes it much more filling.
B) tastes really good with casein.
C) fats further slow digestion.

[mg1228]

How am I giving bad advice? Because you disagree? Id love to hear your scientific explanation of why you consider stabilized peanut butter unhealthy?

Also - a capsule is actually made of animal and vegetable matter. How is that a bad analogy

Dont be afraid to be open to others point of view.

u said there was no difference between natural pb and normal pb(jif)--and its really a personal preference---that is bad advice--the difference is how its made---real natty pb has no sugar added, no hydrogenated oil, no molasses--
im not saying stabilized pb is unhealthy--im saying there is a difference

its kinda like saying there is no difference in cooking a chicken breast with pam---and cooking a chicken breast in bacon grease and butter--or is there no difference there either--

[Damienm05]

How am I giving bad advice? Because you disagree? Id love to hear your scientific explanation of why you consider stabilized peanut butter unhealthy?

Also - a capsule is actually made of animal and vegetable matter. How is that a bad analogy

Dont be afraid to be open to others point of view.

All science aside, any natural PB has a lower sugar and sodium content. I dunno about the natty PB you guys are eating but mine contains only dry roasted peanuts and no added oil.

There is a huge difference and for anyone trying to live a healthy lifestyle, there should be no debate. Is Jiff the worst thing you can eat or will it hinder your gains/fat-loss significantly? Of course not.

[RoadToRecovery]

u said there was no difference between natural pb and normal pb(jif)--and its really a personal preference---that is bad advice--the difference is how its made---real natty pb has no sugar added, no hydrogenated oil, no molasses--
im not saying stabilized pb is unhealthy--im saying there is a difference

its kinda like saying there is no difference in cooking a chicken breast with pam---and cooking a chicken breast in bacon grease and butter--or is there no difference there either--

Come on MG - now you are playing the semantics game. What other implication or notion would you expect people to get by saying there is a difference? So am I wrong to imply that you did not mean that natural peanut butter was a better choice because you think it is healthier?

And you want to talk about bad analogies? I made a point about negligible ingredients and additives. You are talking about changing the nutritional value of a meal entirely.

If you read what I wrote, I said that there is no nutritional difference. Which there obviously is not.

[mg1228]

There is little to no difference between natural peanut butter and say, JIF peanut butter. Some companies may have slightly higher sugar in their non natural peanut butter.
Q:Is there a huge difference between regular peanut butter and natural peanut butter?

A:Peanut butter today is remarkably like that made 100 years ago. All peanut butter must, by law, contain a minimum of 90% peanuts. Both natural and regular peanut butters may contain some sugar and salt for flavoring. Some brands also contain a small amount of stabilizer (partially hydrogenated vegetable oil) to keep the oil from separating, which most consumers prefer. This also helps maintain peanut butter freshness.

^^^^i think u said difference not nutritional difference---and yes i think it is healthier--normal pb=3gr sugar nattypb=1gr or less sugar---not to mention the hydrogenated oil--2gr doesnt seem like alot until u eat it 3-4 times a day--and i dont think there is room for sugar in these diets

[RoadToRecovery]

^^^^i think u said difference not nutritional difference---and yes i think it is healthier--normal pb=3gr sugar nattypb=1gr or less sugar---not to mention the hydrogenated oil--2gr doesnt seem like alot until u eat it 3-4 times a day--and i dont think there is room for sugar in these diets

Post Number 9.

The difference in the added stabilizer and flavoring (molasses) poses no nutritional value difference. It really boils down to preference. Its like counting the coating on multivitamin capsules as a processed food.

You can clearly see the clarification here.

In any other case I would agree, but here... the additives pose negligible effects.

[mg1228]

im really gettin tired of arguing--there is a nutritional value difference--not in the fat content but there is in the carbs--

u eat jif--ill eat natty---lets leave it at that

the op question wasnt about nutritional diff anyway---sorry for the hijack

[RoadToRecovery]

im really gettin tired of arguing--there is a nutritional value difference--not in the fat content but there is in the carbs--

Negative

u eat jif--ill eat natty---lets leave it at that

Fair enough

the op question wasnt about nutritional diff anyway---sorry for the hijack

Agreed

[Narkissos]

im really gettin tired of arguing

Waste of time really.

Solid advice given mate.

[mg1228]

Waste of time really.

Solid advice given mate.

the mans in the house---whats up--hope ur doin well

[First6]

Waste of time really.

Solid advice given mate.

Um Excuse me, Mr Narkissos, Could you please move over about 10 feet, your blocking the sun! lol

Awesome, just awesome

[Narkissos]

the mans in the house---whats up--hope ur doin well

Thanks buddy.

I've been cool you know... Tore my left hamstring about 3 weeks back, so I've been rehabbing that.

Sorry I haven't been around.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

[Narkissos]

Um Excuse me, Mr Narkissos, Could you please move over about 10 feet, your blocking the sun! lol

Awesome, just awesome

lol... Thanks for the kind words.

btw: You're in good hands with mg1228.

He's one of the guys here who has listened to everything I've said on diet, and applied it to himself.

Great work ethic... and a great guy.

[mg1228]

Thanks buddy.

I've been cool you know... Tore my left hamstring about 3 weeks back, so I've been rehabbing that.

Sorry I haven't been around.

Hope all is well with you and yours.

hope that injury heals quick--sorry to hear that

everything is good with me

thanks again for sharing all ur knowledge--

[RoadToRecovery]

lol... Thanks for the kind words.

btw: You're in good hands with mg1228.

He's one of the guys here who has listened to everything I've said on diet, and applied it to himself.

Which I presume would make his word hold more weight. Facts aside.

[Narkissos]

Which I presume would make his word hold more weight.

Facts included, yep... in my mind at least.

*shrugs*

Anyway... who cares however?

Nobody needs to agree with, or listen to, anything you, he, or I happen to say on message boards.

It is the internet after all.

Let's get this thread back on track already.

hope that injury heals quick--sorry to hear that

everything is good with me

thanks again for sharing all ur knowledge--

Thanks bro.

I'm still training legs mind you.

After the tear, I started to use a modified bulgarian training method from the week after.

Trained quads/hips/glutes (via heel-elevated, ATG barbell back/front squats) 4 times last week.

No direct hamstring training... just massage and stretching. So far it's healing pretty damned quickly


Anyway... no more hijacking. Hit me with a PM let's catch up

[First6]

lol... Thanks for the kind words.

btw: You're in good hands with mg1228.

He's one of the guys here who has listened to everything I've said on diet, and applied it to himself.

Great work ethic... and a great guy.

Thanks.
Yeah I can't thank him enough. He has really put me on the right track. I can't wait to report back in a few weeks with awesome results.
Thanks again mg1228