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    Question beginners cycle HELP!

    hi im 22 1/2 and im considering my 1st cycle,ive been training for 2 years and have a good diet and training regime.I am 6'4'' and currently weigh 94kg and am around 13 percent body fat.my training only consists of 4-5 times weekly on seperate body parts each day for one hour finishing with a little cardio e.g.chest monday,back tuesday,shoulders legs wednesday finishing with some running and ab work.Im not looking to explode as i dont plan to compete i jus want to gain a bit mor size and definition,examples of build i want to be would be will smith,hugh jackman size which i think is acheivable considering wer oim at now.ive jus reached a plateau at around 14 stone 10 and want to be around 15 stone 7.i was considering test enanthate for 8 weeks with the rite pct and novaldex,im jus worried about side effects,im alredy balding quite bad but it doesnt bother me coz i shave it short but still like holding on to this last bit!i was wondering if it will be so bad jus for one course as i know it speeds these things up,also woz wondering bout acne and gyno.and does it make hair grow in places it doesnt normally e.g. i hav a very hairy chest but smooth bak would it make me get a hairy back,and if so would this dissappear after use.thanks

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    Your still kinda young to start a cycle bro. Also if you have only been training for 2 yrs you shouldnt be hitting a wall. Check your workouts ad diet first, theres gotta be something off. Whats your diet like? As far as sides, its different for everyone and as far as your 8 week test e, thats not imho long enough...12 weeks would be better but as i said i dont feel like your ready nor do you need it at your young age.

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    ye i understand,diet is up and down really,its always high protein uisually chicken in morning,chicken and patato lunch,eggs or fish and wholemeal bread and string beans hour before gym,steak mash and veg after gym,protein shake with pint full fat milk before bed,i think i probably need more calories i know that but i like 2 stay lean thats the thing and sometimes lower carbs 2 stay lean which will obviuosly lower the chances of gaining,any ideas?

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    hey bro, your first post hurts my eyes lol, can you break it up into questions please? then i'll be happy to answer

    also, i'd like to see your diet in detail, you remind me of my friend kyle, he's around your height, 180lbs and 11-12%, really hard time gaining muscle, but i messed with his diet a bit and he started to gain strength and muscle like crazy

    it's all in the diet bro, without it nothing will work, remember, your body can only work and grow as well as the nutrients it has at the time, think of it like building a house vs. hotel

    If the guy building the house sets up a great foundation and has all his materials available to him 24/7 he never has to stop working, he can build and build and build to his heart's content, but if the guy building the hotel(even though he obviously has tons of money and extra help the other guy doesn't..i.e. steroids) doesn't have any materials or labor nothing is going to get built, he's just gonna end up sitting on his ass wondering what went wrong. Don't be that guy lol

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    ok thanks for advice,my diet consists of
    morning-200g chicken breats or protein shake
    lunch-chicken breast 400 gram mash or other patato
    pre-gym-either 4 eggs or tin of mackerel with two slices wholemeal bread and 2xfruit
    post gym-either steak,2x chicken breast or 3x plain cod fillet with again mash with string beans and either fruit or some no added sugar jelly(sometimes hav leftover chicken breat hour later)
    before bed-protein shake with full fat milk
    NOTE-i only get about 8 hours sleep is this enough?
    also another thing 2 be anoying lol,what sort of reps should be my max,i always want to reach 8 with the last one struggling,should my reps be lower,thanks a lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidkaos22 View Post
    ok thanks for advice,my diet consists of

    morning-200g chicken breats or protein shake

    lunch-chicken breast 400 gram mash or other patato

    pre-gym-either 4 eggs or tin of mackerel with two slices wholemeal bread and 2xfruit

    post gym-either steak,2x chicken breast or 3x plain cod fillet with again mash with string beans and either fruit or some no added sugar jelly(sometimes hav leftover chicken breat hour later)

    before bed-protein shake with full fat milk

    NOTE-i only get about 8 hours sleep is this enough?

    also another thing 2 be anoying lol,what sort of reps should be my max,i always want to reach 8 with the last one struggling,should my reps be lower,thanks a lot
    k, i need to be a little picky here with the diet because i can't really help without knowing the macros for the meals(meaning how many grams of protein/carbs/fat are in each meal)

    thinks like protein shake can mean straight whey, or a 2000cal weight gainer, see what i mean lol, there's a great video series on dieting in the diet forum called "So you wanna learn how to diet", its a sticky(close to the top), watch them and then post your diet in detail again and we'll go over it till it's perfect

    8 hours of sleep is great, i wish i could do that

    as far as reps, here's a general breakdown

    1-3 Strength mostly
    3-8 Strength with some size as well
    8-12 Size mostly
    12-15 Size for legs(bigger muscle group, needs more stimulation to grow)

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    cheers for the help,ill hav to get bak to you on how much grams of protein,fat etc are in my meals but i can say how much it ways if its any help.
    7.50 am protein shake-nutrisport whey and micellar casein shake 50 grams protein
    12.10 pm 1 chicken breast (180 grams)patato mash(100 grams)or 1 cup brown rice no added sugar jelly
    5.10 pm 4 whole eggs two slices wholemeal bread 2x kiwi or pear etc
    7.30 pm steak(340 grams)2xchicken breast(180 each) mash (100grams) 1 cup string beans or broccoli
    9.30 pm protein shake-as above both times with full fat milk
    i will work out how much protein,carbs etc there is and post it soon!

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