Tren Cycle Questions

[jcosley]

Just a few questions on this subject of Tren Enhan. What support supplements do you all use ON cycle. I've read that you should take an AI but that would be for stacking with Test as Tren doesnt aromatize, but what about T3? Have any of you used this throughout the cycles as it says in the Steroid profiles? Just curious because I want to have all the necessary tools for whenever I dive into this stuff.

Next cycle is going to be.

Tren En 1-10 (200)
Test Cyp 1-10 (250)

Anyways, I'd appreciate the input.

As of right now I have Letro, nolva, clomid, T3, clen, and Caber all on hand for my next cycle.

Stats:
229 lbs (cut down 15 from previous cycle)
Age: 28
Cycle: 3rd
About 12% bf

EDIT: Also if you could add in dosing protocols of letro/t3/caber during your cycles I'd appreciate the input.

[Immortal Soldier]

How much test/tren are you running per week?

[Kibble]

He is running:

Tren....400mg/ew
Test....500mg/ew

This is my guess, from what he listed above. Unless he is only running half of that (which his post mirrors)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

He is running:

Tren....400mg/ew
Test....500mg/ew

This is my guess, from what he listed above. Unless he is only running half of that (which his post mirrors)

no you doubled both test e and test cyp, not tren

[Kibble]

no you doubled both test e and test cyp, not tren

I am confused guy. He is not running test e.
He is running Tren E and Test Cyp. What are you talking about?

[jcosley]

How much test/tren are you running per week?

He is running:

Tren....400mg/ew
Test....500mg/ew

This is my guess, from what he listed above. Unless he is only running half of that (which his post mirrors)

Correct.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I am confused guy. He is not running test e.
He is running Tren E and Test Cyp. What are you talking about?

oh i must be blind because i thought he said TEST e, not tren e at the beginning. never mind

[jcosley]

oh i must be blind because i thought he said TEST e, not tren e at the beginning. never mind

So does anyone have any input about my questions?

[D7M]

Just a few questions on this subject of Tren Enhan. What support supplements do you all use ON cycle. I've read that you should take an AI but that would be for stacking with Test as Tren doesnt aromatize, but what about T3? Have any of you used this throughout the cycles as it says in the Steroid profiles? Just curious because I want to have all the necessary tools for whenever I dive into this stuff.

Next cycle is going to be.

Tren En 1-10 (200)
Test Cyp 1-10 (250)

Anyways, I'd appreciate the input.

As of right now I have Letro, nolva, clomid, T3, clen, and Caber all on hand for my next cycle.

Stats:
229 lbs (cut down 15 from previous cycle)
Age: 28
Cycle: 3rd
About 12% bf

EDIT: Also if you could add in dosing protocols of letro/t3/caber during your cycles I'd appreciate the input.

Do you have experience with Tren?

I've used T3 on cycle before, but I don't think it's necessary to run it with Tren, no.

Caber you could start out on .25mg E3D.

Letro is a pretty heavy AI, I'd try something milder first, Adex or Aromasin.

[chuckt12345]

this your second cycle right?

[jcosley]

Do you have experience with Tren?

I've used T3 on cycle before, but I don't think it's necessary to run it with Tren, no.

Caber you could start out on .25mg E3D.

Letro is a pretty heavy AI, I'd try something milder first, Adex or Aromasin.

this your second cycle right?

3rd. My last one was the first time I logged it on this site. Done a few oral cycles before my last one as well.

So...for sure run CABER during the cycle to be safe? Is that the general consensus.

Yes I've heard LETRO is pretty potent, wondering if a very small dose every few days would be sufficient. I didnt have too much bloat problems on my last cycle after week 4-5 of my last test cycle but had to start nolva for a week to combat that...didnt have a AI at the time.

[chuckt12345]

def have caber
and i thnk letro is poisin in a bottle/pill. Go with adex.

[D7M]

You never answered if this is your first run with tren, and i don't feel like looking through your posts.

I'd use caber to be safe, yes. Even a low dose.

Already said, I'd prefer adex or aromasin to letro any day for an AI.

[D7M]

damn it, chuck, you're quick today

[jcosley]

def have caber
and i thnk letro is poisin in a bottle/pill. Go with adex.

You never answered if this is your first run with tren, and i don't feel like looking through your posts.

I'd use caber to be safe, yes. Even a low dose.

Already said, I'd prefer adex or aromasin to letro any day for an AI.

Thanks guys for the input, greatly appreciate it.

[jcosley]

You never answered if this is your first run with tren, and i don't feel like looking through your posts.

I'd use caber to be safe, yes. Even a low dose.

Already said, I'd prefer adex or aromasin to letro any day for an AI.

Oh sorry man, didnt see your post with that question. My first go with Tren Enhante ...correct.

[D7M]

Oh sorry man, didnt see your post with that question. My first go with Tren Enhante ...correct.

You think about using Tren ace instead of enth for your first run?

[jcosley]

You think about using Tren ace instead of enth for your first run?

No not really....aside from the SIDES involved with Tren I don't think I should have much of a problem....obviously it's a new thing for me so we'll have to see how my body reacts as well. I'm not going to get crazy with the doses like my last cycle. I was shooting about 1200 of test weeks 7-11. This one will be pretty controlled and hopefully smooth.

[amcon]

Just a few questions on this subject of Tren Enhan. What support supplements do you all use ON cycle. I've read that you should take an AI but that would be for stacking with Test as Tren doesnt aromatize, but what about T3? Have any of you used this throughout the cycles as it says in the Steroid profiles? Just curious because I want to have all the necessary tools for whenever I dive into this stuff.

Next cycle is going to be.

Tren En 1-10 (200)
Test Cyp 1-10 (250)

Anyways, I'd appreciate the input.

As of right now I have Letro, nolva, clomid, T3, clen, and Caber all on hand for my next cycle.

Stats:
229 lbs (cut down 15 from previous cycle)
Age: 28
Cycle: 3rd
About 12% bf

EDIT: Also if you could add in dosing protocols of letro/t3/caber during your cycles I'd appreciate the input.

what are yoiu running in the above statment is way to low... need to doubble that could even tripple that and it wouldnt be considered out ragious

no to the t3

[ranging1]

hey mate i dont think u should run tren and test for ur second cycle

and i think ur stats are missleading sinceive seen pics of you and u DEFINETALY dont need tren, and ur a VERY tall bloke

sorry if i sound offensive

and ur bf isnt 12% sorry again

why dont u just consider running a higher test dosage with sum arimidex to egt rid of the bloat

GUYS LOOK HERE http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=401816

^^^^ hats jcosely recently, we should all know he doesnt need tren

anyways run ur test like this
e.g run testerone prop at 750mg a week


since the prop ull get more bang for ur buk since its stronger then ethanthate ester

sorry man but i followed ur log and can tell you u DONT NEED TREN, i considering using it for my second cycle and realised it was stupid and dropped it fast

and can tell you form experience just raising ur test dosage for a second cycle can give you amazing results alone

[jcosley]

Those pics were from 6 weeks ago and I've dropped 15 lbs since then. No idea why people are so unwilling to help on this site.

And yes....I was considering just running TEST only cycle again at a higher dose....but I have the Tren En and Test Cyp so I don't see why I wouldnt want to use it.

[D7M]

It's not that no one is willing to help, it just that we try to give out safe advice around here.

Is this your second cycle or your third?

Regardless, as much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Ranging1.

No offense, man, but your stats are misleading, and judging from those pics you are no where near 12%bf.

[jcosley]

It's not that no one is willing to help, it just that we try to give out safe advice around here.

Is this your second cycle or your third?

Regardless, as much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Ranging1.

No offense, man, but your stats are misleading, and judging from those pics you are no where near 12%bf.

Give me the logic that you need to be a certain bf % to use a certain type of AAS....that's what I'm looking for. Everyone says there bf % on here and for some reason u have to be under 10 to get decent advice. I don't see what the problem is. Obviously I know about diet and exericse....today im 233 down from 280 at one point a few years ago....that was with slow steady dieting/exercise and doing it the right way.

[jcosley]

It's not that no one is willing to help, it just that we try to give out safe advice around here.

Is this your second cycle or your third?

Regardless, as much as I hate to admit it, I agree with Ranging1.

No offense, man, but your stats are misleading, and judging from those pics you are no where near 12%bf.

3rd sorry, 1st one was oral only stack, 2nd was Test E and i'm going onto my 3rd.

[hankdiesel]

Tren can be brutal. I'd suggest tren A in case the sides get to bad you can back off. Why do you want to use tren. If you think you're ready to throw something else in why not deca? Tren is, well...........pretty cool though. It's a love hate relationship.

[jcosley]

Tren can be brutal. I'd suggest tren A in case the sides get to bad you can back off. Why do you want to use tren. If you think you're ready to throw something else in why not deca? Tren is, well...........pretty cool though. It's a love hate relationship.

Read alot of the other steroid profiles out there and TREN and Test seem to be the best for shedding fat and gaining mass. I want to be lean...that's my main goal....I don't want bloated and wet gains from alot of other compounds where you just look all bloated at the end of the cycle. Also I'm always into gaining strength on all my lifts and this one seems to be quite helpful as well.

EDIT: Again....I'm not some amateur on here looking for some quick fix. Believe me, I do my research and I've been at this awhile. Obviously like any other bodybuilder or gym rat, I want an edge.

[stpete]

You don't need tren to cut. Sure, it helps, but it's all diet related. Hell, if i had more motivation i could get pretty cut on test alone. I've known people who have done it but they're more dedicated to their diet and cardio than i am.
I don't think you're ready for tren but if you insist, use Ace.
Good luck.

[jcosley]

You don't need tren to cut. Sure, it helps, but it's all diet related. Hell, if i had more motivation i could get pretty cut on test alone. I've known people who have done it but they're more dedicated to their diet and cardio than i am.
I don't think you're ready for tren but if you insist, use Ace.
Good luck.

I hear a lot of people say that on here when anyone brings it up. When IS someone actually ready for Tren???

[ranging1]

what were trying to say is different steroids are for different levels of physiques

tren is a very powerful compound yes, but at your level of physiue you do not require that type of compound to acheive your goals

ur second cycle u achieved great result son just 600mg testerone, towards the end of the cycle ur results prob slowed down, but this isnt becuase the steroid was to weak, this is becuase the longer ur on cycle ur body adapts and becomes less respondant to steroids, and therefore ur gains taper off

however im sure form weeks 3 or 4 till bout weeks 8-9 u saw huge noticable changes since ur bodys test was peaking and ur body hadnt become adaptent to it yet

dont think becuase towards the end of ur last cycle when your results slowed that this was becuase the steroid was to weak, its just ur body getting use to it

im sure ull see if you were to jump on 750 testerone (only slightly higher) ud see ud again get GREAT results for the same time period

plus ur goals are mainly cutting, meaning what u shouild be looking for is enough gear thatll allow for you to maintain muscle while dieting strictly, adding in more gear wont do much becuase steroids are usually more respondant in a time of high calories, this is when they work most their magic

in a time of dieting their isnt enough calories for steroids to have a noticable muscle building effect, therefore their main purpose is to preserve and protect muscle

therefore adding in tren isnt ideal becuase its benefits arent going to be significant compared to its sides

plsu for a person of you physique steroids like tren are not needed to get the results ur looking for

think of it this way, why would u not advise a person of 175pounds bodyweight to use 1 gram of testerone?

the anser is becuase hje doesnt need it to gain noticable results

the same is being advised to you, you dont require trenbelone to achieve what your looking for

all your doing it looking for the fastest way to drop bodyfat and gain muscle while ignoring what people are trying to tell you

take our advice and understand that you dont need tren

remeber steroids do have side effects, so u shouldnt be looking for the most powerful compound to achieve ur results, but rather the minimal or least amount of compounds you need to acheive your results

[jcosley]

Thanks alot for the input, very well thought out and detailed response.

[ranging1]

awesome so what ur future cycle plans now then?

[idrockasupra]

Bro if u bench 405 for 6 then im ronnie coleman

[jcosley]

awesome so what ur future cycle plans now then?

Well I'm going to start TEST Cyp for sure....not sure what else I may add to it now. I have 3 months to get as cut as possible.

Bro if u bench 405 for 6 then im ronnie coleman

Why does it matter if you believe what I can lift and can't lift? Geezus.

[Kibble]

I wish I could do 405 for 6 reps. My current goal is 405 x 1.

Maybe he is jealous. I know I am jealous of anybody who can lift 405 x 6. That is actually more than 70% of this site (imo). Well... probally more than 90%. So baiscally on BB Benchpress you are in the top 10-20 percentile

[jcosley]

I wish I could do 405 for 6 reps. My current goal is 405 x 1.

Maybe he is jealous. I know I am jealous of anybody who can lift 405 x 6. That is actually more than 70% of this site (imo). Well... probally more than 90%. So baiscally on BB Benchpress you are in the top 10-20 percentile

What...seriously? Well I lift with a bunch of powerlifters at my gym and they are doing way more then me....so I guess it's not that big of a deal to me.

[ranging1]

IMO if i was you a cyp dosage of 750-800mg will be very effective, i gave the variance coz i dont know how ur cyps dosed

if it was 250mg/ml then 3ml a week to make 750mg

if its 200mg/ml then 4ml a week to make 800mg

if ur cycle was for cutting purposes, id do a small front load for ur cycle and run it for 14 weeks, that way ur ester kik in quik and you can start training and dieting hard right away

id add in winnie at 40ed during weeks 10-14 to help dry you out and burn little more fat

and during ur cycle id run arimidex or aromasin to get rid of any bloat since your leaning and u dont wanna look bloated coz it just psycologicaly missleads you and doesnt help with the motivation

so ur cycle would look like this if it was up to me

week 1 testerone cyp 1 gram(small frontload, will give u blood levels of 500mg in 1 week)
weeks 2-14 testerone cyp 800mg
weeks 10-14 winstrol 40mg every day
weeks 1-14 arimidex, .25 every day, or every other day depending on how bloat prone

PCT
standard nolvadex and clomid protocol
HCG is optional but IMO its a GREAT ADDITION

[D7M]

^I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few things here ranging.

I don't see why he needs 750-800mg test a week for his second real cycle....especially if his goal is cutting. He should be focused on cutting body fat and preserving muscle.

Winny at 40mg ED will do nothing for him, sorry. have you ever used winny, Ranging? I'm not trying to be a dick, just asking. first, he'd have to cut alot of body fat for the winny to actually even be effective for him, and second 40mg ED is such a weak dose for winny. 100mg ED is more like it, since 20-25% of it will be destroyed in the second pass of the liver anyway.

Frontload thing didn't really work for me, but I guess he'll have to try it and find out...

[jcosley]

week 1 testerone cyp 1 gram(small frontload, will give u blood levels of 500mg in 1 week)
weeks 2-14 testerone cyp 800mg
weeks 10-14 winstrol 40mg every day
weeks 1-14 arimidex, .25 every day, or every other day depending on how bloat prone

This is actually how i'm starting....I'm frontloading and doing 1 gram a week...split into 2 pokes mon and thursdays. I'm debating on adding anything else to the cycle yet...I could pry just do t3/clen cycle again to help with cutting fat again, but i'm not sure yet....I have the T3 but running low on clen as of right now.

^I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few things here ranging.

I don't see why he needs 750-800mg test a week for his second real cycle....especially if his goal is cutting. He should be focused on cutting body fat and preserving muscle.

Winny at 40mg ED will do nothing for him, sorry. have you ever used winny, Ranging? I'm not trying to be a dick, just asking. first, he'd have to cut alot of body fat for the winny to actually even be effective for him, and second 40mg ED is such a weak dose for winny. 100mg ED is more like it, since 20-25% of it will be destroyed in the second pass of the liver anyway.

Frontload thing didn't really work for me, but I guess he'll have to try it and find out...

Thanks for the advice and input.

[ranging1]

^I'm going to have to disagree with you on a few things here ranging.

I don't see why he needs 750-800mg test a week for his second real cycle....especially if his goal is cutting. He should be focused on cutting body fat and preserving muscle.

Winny at 40mg ED will do nothing for him, sorry. have you ever used winny, Ranging? I'm not trying to be a dick, just asking. first, he'd have to cut alot of body fat for the winny to actually even be effective for him, and second 40mg ED is such a weak dose for winny. 100mg ED is more like it, since 20-25% of it will be destroyed in the second pass of the liver anyway.

Frontload thing didn't really work for me, but I guess he'll have to try it and find out...

i personaly just reccomend 750 becuase h previously ran 600 form his last cycle, and i personaly dont find test at 500mg that much of a bang, i found that putting it up that extra 100-200mg really does give a good kick

plus if we consider the size of ester in 100mg cyp, really 800mg of cyp only has around 560mg of actuall testerone, and from studies on test it seems the 600mg mark was where alot of both fat burning and muscle building effects were noticed

however do agree he is cutting so he could get away with less,

as for frontloading ive tried it and found it worked great, i didnt notuce strength increases straight away but i did notice the recovery abilites rapidly which i think is more important then strength gains while cutting, plus having the esters in your body earlier can help prevent any early muscle loss from low calorie diet IMO

i also said frontload becuase i cant see the use of a good oral to kickstart a leaning cycle, unless u can think of something?

i included winnie towards end of cycle when im presuming after 10 weeks he should already be farely lean, so it would have an effect on a leaner body (i am presuming he is leaner by then, if he isnt well then agree its useless)

as for the dosage of winnie i only recomended 50mg (40 was typo) to help give him a drier look and little extra kick in fat burning, agree 100mg everyday would give much more noticable results but like u said dont see the need to kik it up that much if he was running 800mg of cyp weekly during then

maybe D7M u can think something else towards the end of his cycle might be better?

[jcosley]

My last cycle was TEST e (300mg/ml) this one is Test Cyp (250mg/ml) fyi. And I did T3/Clen for the last 4 weeks of my last cycle and that worked pretty well. I'm not sure I want to do it again just because of the T3....but I may. I was planning on getting some winstrol for this cycle but I can't find any decent prices for the mgs it comes. Diet is what I'm focusing on and I think this cycle will be better for leaning me out since my last cycle I couldnt even do cardio for the first 8 weeks due to a foot injury. I've started cardio right off the bat from this, plus I started 10 lbs lighter this cycle as well.