how to keep gains

[elfin1mf]

ronnie says on the sticky "you'll want to read this" that you cannot expect to keep gains if you stay off aas for same time you were on. So how do you all say it is possible when he says it is not.

[Big]

Perhaps because we are all individuals with individual opinions.

[bjpennnn]

so big your saying you beg the differ?

[Big]

I would not agree that in every case gains can not be kept. Once someone surpasses their individual genetic potential, then I don't feel they could retain the gains AAS will bring without AAS. Prior to reaching their genetic potential, with proper diet and training I feel gains could certainly be kept by some.

[bjpennnn]

so at 5-6 say 180 can be kept at running 2 cycles a year you think? if work ethic diet everything is in check?

[Big]

the largest variable would be genetic potential, but that sounds reasonable to me for most.

[bjpennnn]

sounds rite to me to. thanks BIG!

[NVR2BIG1]

nope, Ronnie sounds right. You can keep gains running a cycle, then coming off or cruising for 6-8 wks, but your not going to do 2 cycles/yr and keep most of it. You'll end up going back to where you were before the cycle, and then doing another cycle and getting back to where you were previous cycle. Thats usually the way it works.

[laduem88]

nope, Ronnie sounds right. You can keep gains running a cycle, then coming off or cruising for 6-8 wks, but your not going to do 2 cycles/yr and keep most of it. You'll end up going back to where you were before the cycle, and then doing another cycle and getting back to where you were previous cycle. Thats usually the way it works.

exactly why im cruising, sick of playing the 3 step forward 2.5 steps back game

[Big]

prior to reaching genetic potential, there is no reason gains that could otherwise be obtained naturally couldn't be kept naturally even if aas were used to reach that point quicker. I agree that typically it doesn't work that way, but typically perfect diet and training aren't in place to keep those gains. once beyond genetic potential, then no, those gains would not be keepable naturally.

[bjpennnn]

how old are you laduem88?

[NVR2BIG1]

prior to reaching genetic potential, there is no reason gains that could otherwise be obtained naturally couldn't be kept naturally even if aas were used to reach that point quicker. I agree that typically it doesn't work that way, but typically perfect diet and training aren't in place to keep those gains. once beyond genetic potential, then no, those gains would not be keepable naturally.

yeah, thats what I was speaking of, once beyond genetic potential. But I think if someone has been working out consistently for at least 5 yrs prior to age 25, they're probably at genetic max or damn near close to it anyways

[Big]

agreed

[Bertuzzi]

Bump....


Good read with good info.

[Reaver.]

Never knew that before about genetic potential/aas.......Sounds like to me, for the average steroid user, its more of a boost to reach your genetic potential and maintain that with a sensible amount of cycles in mind.....

But for the athlete/competitor in mind, you must almost abuse steroids to some degree to maintain and continue advancing.

Am I correct at all in saying this?

[Oakleys]

I'm so confused.

So say you havn't reached your genetic limit and you used AAS to reach it, it is possible to keep those gains?

But if you have exceeded your limit, you would have to continue to cycle to surpass your limit?

[Reaver.]

If this is true, it makes one question the idea of "Wait till you reach your genetic potential till you use steroids"

With the average steroid user in mind, one would simply lose their gains post-cycle without continual usage....?

[elfin1mf]

I will do everything by the books off cycle. If I start losing alot this time, I will start a slingshot program. I am sure some people are naturally gifted at keeping muscle, I believe I am one of these people, but I am at a level way higher than I have ever been right now so I will never know without some trial and error. Bodybuilding is my passion, my favorite reason to be alive, I really want to live it to the max. I think, for me, it is best to stop at 8 weeks and start again if I become aware of noticeable muscle loss instead of doing a couple 12 week cycles each year.

honestly, right now I do not think people should wait many years to use steroids. They need to practice their routine for a month or two with a good coach to get them doing everything perfectly, they need to research everything EXTENSIVELY until they know steroid use and proper diet/ lifestyle like the back of their hand. but they do not need to get their hopes up and believe they will be huge as long as they take a few years of natural bb with perfect diet. Just my opinion. I wanted to use roids for 3 years before I tried it and now I think that it was a mistake to wait that long. Some people just have to face the fact that their genetic potential will probably not be much more than doubling what they can lift before they ever worked out (for me it was only a little more than double before my gains plateaued and I began to try new things to no avail)

[gymnerd]

I'm so confused.

So say you havn't reached your genetic limit and you used AAS to reach it, it is possible to keep those gains?

But if you have exceeded your limit, you would have to continue to cycle to surpass your limit?

Look at it this way if you used AAS to go beyond what your body would have been capable of without them then it makes sense that you will not be able to maintain that indefinitely without using again.

[Oakleys]

Look at it this way if you used AAS to go beyond what your body would have been capable of without them then it makes sense that you will not be able to maintain that indefinitely without using again.

gotcha!