Ok here we go, my first aas cycle

[russiandave]

So I am currently on 5iu of hgh ed

I am going to stack Test with it.

Here is what I have planned{thanks for the beginner cycle thread}:
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1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 tbol 40mg/day ( this is used to kickstart the cycle and is optional)

take your test injections 3.5 days apart, like monday morning and thursday evening

split your tbol up throughout the day, this will keep your blood levels stable, which means less sides and more gains

if you take the tbol, supplement with liv52 to help you liver cope with breaking down the dbol
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now I was told that tbol is a bit better than dbol. will i need to take liv52 with tbol.

and will taking tbol show a significant difference than if i didnt take it? i am not trying to get hugeeee just slightly larger

also, i would like to add something for gyno as i know i am prone to it. as well as add something to help avoid ball shrinkage. maybe HCG 500iu 2X a week...i need a bit of help with this.

also, i guess for pct i will use :
(4 weeks of pct) week 1 and 2 30mg nolvadex ed, week 3 and 4 20mg nolvadex ed....im guessing i should have some clomid in there?


if someone could help me out i would appreciate it. i will keep this thread going from start to finish of my cycle.


thanks

[jjredd]

liv52 is always good to take just to balance. And yeah take test in 2 shots weekly 250mg. But before you do all this, how old are you and what are your stats?

[scotimus]

uh if this is asking for a source tell me and ill delete it


where is a good place to get liv52?

[gymnerd]

uh if this is asking for a source tell me and ill delete it


where is a good place to get liv52?

www.discountsupplements.com

Also known as livercare by himalaya

Sorry fixed the link.

[scotimus]

thank you bro

[russiandave]

liv52 is always good to take just to balance. And yeah take test in 2 shots weekly 250mg. But before you do all this, how old are you and what are your stats?

33 years old
six feet tall
245 pounds
bf not sure, prob around 15 percent

ive been weightlifting for 17 years. Got into good quality routines about 10 years ago.

I eat a relatively clean diet. I am not a pro and i dont want to get huge. I am naturally broad and genetically I lucked out because I can get stocky very quickly.

[D7M]

I'd go with HCG 250ius 2x week. But there are several different ways out there to run HCG, so you'll just have to read and experiment on what works for you.

For on cycle Estrogen control, you can start with adex at .25mg EOD and adjust as necessary.

And yes, I'd add clomid to the pct.

This pct has always worked for me:
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

[MuffinMan2251]

good cycle planned out, mine will probably be similiar if not identical.

[scotimus]

thats gay. dont ship to canada.

[gymnerd]

thats gay. dont ship to canada.

Sorry didnt realize you were in Canada you have PM.

[russiandave]

someone contacted me and said that this is a good first cycle. but i was always told that test should be included in each cycle. am i missing something?


Weeks 1-12

Sustaplex 325 - 1CC twice a week
Arimaplex - 1mg eod
HGH - 5IU/day

Weeks 8-12

Oxiplex - 30mg/day


how is this cycle better than the first one i posted? i dont get it

[D7M]

someone contacted me and said that this is a good first cycle. but i was always told that test should be included in each cycle. am i missing something?


Weeks 1-12

Sustaplex 325 - 1CC twice a week
Arimaplex - 1mg eod
HGH - 5IU/day

Weeks 8-12

Oxiplex - 30mg/day


how is this cycle better than the first one i posted? i dont get it

Where are you getting this from?

the first cycle you had listed was ALOT better.

sustaplex is test...ie, sust.

and that's way too much adex.

[russiandave]

And hey guys, why do some people think anavar is better than tbol or dbol. i was just told that anavar is not as hard on the body...

[russiandave]

Where are you getting this from?

the first cycle you had listed was ALOT better.

sustaplex is test...ie, sust.

and that's way too much adex.

since i am new to this i try to read a lot on different forums. its from a guy who quite honestly is 50 years old but is in amazing shape. he competes and all. he sent me that as advice.

i am going to take test and an oral to jumpstart it. im trying to iron out if it should be tbol or anavar.

i also was told to take arimidex during my cycle if i am afraid of gyno.
im really just trying to iron out how much anti e stuff and ball shrinkage stuff to take and when.

as well as a good pct.

i think the real issue is that there are so many opinions and i keep getting mixed answers. but trust me i am listening and paying attention to you guys

[bjohnson1968]

Imho I wouldnt do the adex i would just have on hand in case you start to see signs of gyno Just my opinion follow what d7 said for pct

Clomid 100/50/50/50 ed
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ed

[gymnerd]

And hey guys, why do some people think anavar is better than tbol or dbol. i was just told that anavar is not as hard on the body...

NOT if you are looking to gain muscles. If you want to cut ok test and var if not go wit6h either tbol or dbol. Var is not that mild on the body it is one of the worse for destroying lipid profiles out there and the gains are minimal compaired to dbol.

EDIT: If you dont want to run anything thats hard on the body just avoid orals all together and add a second inj compound like primo or EQ

[Hard.On]

someone contacted me and said that this is a good first cycle. but i was always told that test should be included in each cycle. am i missing something?


Weeks 1-12

Sustaplex 325 - 1CC twice a week
Arimaplex - 1mg eod
HGH - 5IU/day

Weeks 8-12

Oxiplex - 30mg/day


how is this cycle better than the first one i posted? i dont get it

Was someone trying to sell you this cycle?

[russiandave]

Imho I wouldnt do the adex i would just have on hand in case you start to see signs of gyno Just my opinion follow what d7 said for pct

Clomid 100/50/50/50 ed
Nolva 40/20/20/20 ed

I am prone to gyno , i am pretty sure of this. I already feel a small lump under my nipple and it is sore to the touch and i havent even cycled yet. I think I just had a lot of free test floating around that converted over the years. obviously this is only my guess.

NOT if you are looking to gain muscles. If you want to cut ok test and var if not go wit6h either tbol or dbol. Var is not that mild on the body it is one of the worse for destroying lipid profiles out there and the gains are minimal compaired to dbol.

EDIT: If you dont want to run anything thats hard on the body just avoid orals all together and add a second inj compound like primo or EQ

I have been reading my ass off but i have to admit i dont know what anavar does to the lipid profile. if you could explain that to me or point me in the right direction i will read up on it. ive read that tbol is slightly better than dbol as far as sides go. both cause bloating. and anavar , is not as good for gains , but is better for cutting. I figured the test and hgh would help with gains and the anavar would help with cutting.

Was someone trying to sell you this cycle?

nope it was just a suggestion from a member on another forum. i know a lot of reps on other forums push noobs to buy stuff but this guy didnt, he was just trying to help im sure.

i actually have revamped my cycle idea
you can see it here in this thread:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=419444

in retrospect i should have just bumped this thread but i wasnt thinking and made a new thread with the new info. i will just continue to work on my first cycle from start to finish in the other thread i just linked

sorry about the double thread. noob error. but thx for the help guys, without you guys and the vets who are helping me in the background, people like me would never become properly educated

[stevey_6t9]

what are your stats?