First Cutting Cycle. A Few Questions for Experienced Members

[SpaceMonkey34]

First things first:
Age: 28
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 205
BF%: 12-13%
Cycle Exp: 1 prior cycle (Test Cyp 500mg/week for 8 weeks; Dbol 40mgs/day for 4 weeks)
Training Exp: 10 years
Diet: Typical High Protein/Med EFA's/Low Carb ~2200 cal 'cutting' diet.

I just recently put together a cycle for myself using advice gained from this, and various other boards out on the internet. I would like any and all advice from people that read this. Constructive criticism is very welcome. I have not yet started, but would like to modify it beforehand in case I have missed/overlooked anything.

Cycle:
Winny: 50mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
Tren-A: 75mg EOD (for 1st 6 weeks)
T3:60 mcg ED (for 1st 6 weeks)
Test Prop: 50mg EOD (for all 8 weeks)
Clen: 80 mcg ED (starting @ 40mcg and gradually upping the dose to an eventual 80mcg in order to evaluate my body's tolerance and to mitigate any side effects) 14 days ON - 14 days OFF. (for 10 weeks)
Arimidex: .25 mg ED (for 10 weeks)
HCG: 400 iu Every 5 days. (Been hearing a LOT of contradictory discussions about this substance regarding proper timing of doses, i.e.: During cycle, after cycle, at first signs of testicular atrophy, etc. etc.)

PCT (starting a day after the last pin of Test prop on week 8)
Week 8: Start 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid ED
Week 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
Week 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

Also, this might look familiar to anyone that has seen another version of a 'cutting cycle' around the various internet websites.

I have read that T3 and Clen depletes your body of Taurine and Potassium, so I plan to be supplementing my diet with those respective substances via vitamin. I am unfamiliar with the appropriate dosages of these so can anyone give me a good number to go with? Would the FDA's daily allowance recommendations be sufficient or would I need more because of any higher "demands" that the AAS would place on my body?

I have also a handy supply of "LIVaid" because of the amount of orals that I will be taking. I will also try and drink at LEAST a gallon of water a day.

Is there any advice/recommendations/comments that people can give? I am trying to cover all my bases, but any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

[bjpennnn]

looks like you have done your research, a lot of compounds for your second cycle but your a big boy you can handle it. All my research tell me hcg should be ran like this.

"I'd have you on 250ius 2x week, rather than a large dose of 500ius. Some require 500ius 2x week though.

Start the HCG in this first 1-2 weeks and run until 5-7 day away from PCT."

Also run the tren and the winny at the end of the cycle not the first 6 the last six.

[laduem88]

first off winny needs to be shot ED as well as tren...50mg eod is nothing anyways...50mg ed is a good dose.

as for the tren. tren needs to be shot ED and just like you have winny dosed that dose is very small. I would start with 50mg ed and possibly run it for 8 weeks

third, that test dose is nothing lol..50mg eod is 175mg a week of test. bump it up to atleast 100mg eod

[bjpennnn]

how did i miss that ha. Sorry ya i would bump up the test for sure. You could run the tren like that. The winny run ed. Shit i am retarded.

[bjpennnn]

to much time looking at the computer screen.

[marcus300]

Persoanlly I think you have to much going on and I dont think you should be using tren on your 2nd cycle,
what were your gains for your first cycle?

[SpaceMonkey34]

first off winny needs to be shot ED as well as tren...50mg eod is nothing anyways...50mg ed is a good dose.

as for the tren. tren needs to be shot ED and just like you have winny dosed that dose is very small. I would start with 50mg ed and possibly run it for 8 weeks

third, that test dose is nothing lol..50mg eod is 175mg a week of test. bump it up to atleast 100mg eod

Well, the winny is in oral form. Don't know if that makes a difference, but I see what you are saying about it not being a high enough dose. I was factoring in the TOTAL amount of AAS going in to my body, not just the prop. I could modify/add to the dosage, but I always like to err on the side of caution rather than overdo it. My reasoning is that I could always add more, but once the stuff leaves the pin into my ass, I can't get it back.

Also, I read the half-life of Tren is roughly 2-3 days and that's why I decided to pin EOD at 75mg, rather than 50 ED. Plus, pinning ED is a pain in the ass (literally and metaphorically). But, if that's what is necessary, I'll do it. Not that big of a deal.

If 100mg EOD of Prop is what is recommended, I might have to buy some more. I've bought exactly the amount that I needed.

how did i miss that ha. You could run the tren like that. The winny run ed.

So you're saying run the WINNY at the end of the cycle? Any reason why? I think I know what you're getting at, but the reasoning is still a bit fuzzy at this point.

[SpaceMonkey34]

Persoanlly I think you have to much going on and I dont think you should be using tren on your 2nd cycle,
what were your gains for your first cycle?

I had some really really good gains on the TestCyp. +20 lean pounds. Strength went through the roof. Ended that about 2 months ago. Have kept 90 if not 100 percent of those lean pounds. Strength, however, has gone down a tick (of course). I still feel it was worth it. 2 steps forward and 1 step back is still a net gain of 1 step.

I keep hearing about tren definitely not being a starter substance. I try to dig deeper but can't get any information past this superficial statement. Can you shed some light on why this is so?

[marcus300]

I had some really really good gains on the TestCyp. +20 lean pounds. Strength went through the roof. Ended that about 2 months ago. Have kept 90 if not 100 percent of those lean pounds. Strength, however, has gone down a tick (of course). I still feel it was worth it. 2 steps forward and 1 step back is still a net gain of 1 step.

I keep hearing about tren definitely not being a starter substance. I try to dig deeper but can't get any information past this superficial statement. Can you shed some light on why this is so?

If you experienced gains like that on your first cycle you defo dont need to be running Tren on your 2nd cycle.

Tren is a very powefull compound and does have some serious sides, these sides are not for someone who as just started using AAS, they are for the advanced user, at your stage you dont need it when your having gains like that,

I would just add another compound to your stack but not Tren or even stay as you are and concentrate on your diet, no need to start running when you only started crawling.

[SpaceMonkey34]

Tren is a very powefull compound and does have some serious sides, these sides are not for someone who as just started using AAS, they are for the advanced user, at your stage you dont need it when your having gains like that,

I would just add another compound to your stack but not Tren or even stay as you are and concentrate on your diet, no need to start running when you only started crawling.

The worst side effect from Tren that I have heard about is the "Tren cough". I also read on numerous threads that proper injection techniques (aspirate, sanitation, not nicking a vein, etc.) greatly reduces the risk of such occurrences (although they do not completely diminish them). I am assuming that this is what you are talking about. Thank you for your input.

On that note, I have been hearing that Masteron is a fairly decent alternative to Tren.

[marcus300]

The worst side effect from Tren that I have heard about is the "Tren cough". I also read on numerous threads that proper injection techniques (aspirate, sanitation, not nicking a vein, etc.) greatly reduces the risk of such occurrences (although they do not completely diminish them). I am assuming that this is what you are talking about. Thank you for your input.

On that note, I have been hearing that Masteron is a fairly decent alternative to Tren.

The sides can be very harsh, its not only the cough:
Shuts you down hard
progesterone related sides
shortness of breath
insomnia
night sweats
aggressiveness
Hairloss
tren cough
to name a few, its for the advanced user and it shouldnt be used on your 2nd cycle when your getting gains like you are, there is no need for it and can bring sides what can be that harsh you would stop running the compound straight away.

Masteron is nothing like Tren, its a hardener for pre-contest when your bf is in the low range,

[SpaceMonkey34]

Thanks Marcus. Especially on the Masteron v. Tren clarification. I was reading alot of people on various other threads commenting with statements like: "Why are you doing Tren, Why not Masteron" etc.etc.

I'll give Tren a whirl just for shits and grins. I'll keep the dosage a little on the low side. If I experience anything that's too far out of my comfort zone, I'll drop it.

The sides can be very harsh, its not only the cough:
Shuts you down hard Would the HCG and/or Arimidex help with this?
progesterone related sides
shortness of breath I've heard it causes a decrease in Cardiovascular capacity
insomnia From what I've read, the T3 I will be taking acts similar to Benadryl.....in so much as it makes one really drowsy and will be taking it at the end of the day toward bedtime. Any thoughts/comments?
night sweats
aggressiveness I'm a really chill guy and I have a long temper fuse. I think I'll be able to control this. I really hate those guys that are juice-douches and act like ****ing retards.
Hairloss (I am not prone to male-pattern baldness so hopefully this will not be an issue)
tren cough
to name a few, its for the advanced user and it shouldnt be used on your 2nd cycle when your getting gains like you are, there is no need for it and can bring sides what can be that harsh you would stop running the compound straight away.

Just to clarify, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just wanted to get some more input on the above sides.

As I stated above, I'll give the Tren a trial run via a low dosage. If it gets to be "out of my comfort zone", I'll drop it. Thanks again.

[marcus300]

You see you ask for advice and completely ignore it,

you have no idea what your doing,

You dont need to run Tren even at a low dose,

You have just finished your first cycle,

Tren is for advanced user's,

I give up

[SpaceMonkey34]

Would there be a suitable alternative to Tren? Or just drop that additional AAS altogether and stick to Winny and Prop?

[Kdub]

I believe what Marcus is saying regarding Tren is there is no need to use a sledgehammer when a kindergarten hammer will do.

You have made outstanding gains on the Cyp and can improve (I am sure you will agree) with the quality of your food intake, training efficiency and recovery techniques to continue gaining on your next (second) cycle.

You will agree that you have learned a lot about AAS and could do many things better if you had the chance to do it all over again?

If you wish to try another great compound, try NPP or the fast acting Deca. Safer than Tren and this combined with Prop is a world class stack. Throw the Winny in there or even Dbol if you must but it is not necessary.

I have a cycled a fair amount and I have no ambitions to try Tren - ever. With the likes of NPP, EQ, Primo, Mast, Anavar, GH and SO MANY other great compounds to choose from there isn't a need to from my perspective.

The advice given here to you is extremely valuable whether you recognize it or not. You are your own man though and you will decide what is best for you.

All the best you you.

[chuckt12345]

Would there be a suitable alternative to Tren? Or just drop that additional AAS altogether and stick to Winny and Prop?

your a big boy you wanna run tren run tren,, but may be harsh and it may fk you up.
If i were you id listen to marcus and drop the tren and run higher dose of test

wk 1-8 125mg eod prop
wk 2-8 50mg ed win

[SpaceMonkey34]

I just wanted to thank you all for your comments and suggestions. I hope that I did not come across as if I was "flipping you all the bird" with regards to your suggestions. If I did, that was not my intention at all and I apologize.

With consideration given to Marcus's posts, I think I'll lay off the Tren for this cycle. I'll save it for another cycle later on (the Exp date is good for about another 4 years). I'll just bump the Prop up to 125 mg EOD like chuck suggested. Hopefully the Clen and Winny will be the workhorse of this cycle.

[SpaceMonkey34]

If you wish to try another great compound, try NPP or the fast acting Deca.

I am assuming that NPP stands for Nandrolone Phenylpropionate? If so, this is the first I am hearing it mentioned, er rather, referred to as NPP. Guess I have a lot more lurking to do around the boards.

Been reading on it. Sounds like a solid compound. Glad to see that it is rated as one of the "safest" AAS.