Your suggestions needed....Pros Only please

[Clincher]

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[Charlie6]

well firstly, you should drop that bodyfat naturally before jumpin on the juice

secondly, you can't avoid pins. If you can't handle them then you shouldn't be using steroids

If this is your first cycle then, after you cut your bodyfat natty, you should do test e at 500mg/wk

[Reed]

Agreed cutting and putting on muscle at the same time isn't going to happen as easy as you think.

You need to choose one goal and in this case cutting. Then once that is over focus on building muscle and start a cycle that will help such as the one suggested

[Clincher]

I gt a lot of mixed info...I'm told by some that a cycle of winny or dbol would cut tons of fat off me and help with good gains. Others say what you guys say that the fat won't really come off without me cutting it before and then consider a cycle.

[redz]

Dbol for cutting? I don`t think so, either way winny doesnt burn fat either. Diet and cardio is the ley!

[sigman roid]

Dbol for cutting? I don`t think so, either way winny doesnt burn fat either. Diet and cardio is the ley!

I agree

[daem]

You can use AAS to cut or to add muscle...The former, you are restricting calories and will not lose muscle in the process.

In the latter, you are utilizing surplus calories from macronutrients to create a greater nitrogen balance to gain muscle and minimize fat gain.

I'd suggest you check out the profiles of different compounds and read up about what other members suggest since your perception of orals isn't quite right.

Lastly, you will be more prone to side effects at the bodyfat you sit at now if you hop on anything...Minimize the chances for that by being leaner when you begin.

[Necrosaro]

Winny would not be a good add for you and the sport your in. With your weight and size and the stuff you will be doing with mma with be very harsh on your joints!

[6ft5]

Cutting at 278 I've dun it. but I'm 6ft5. Should be lean and big at 250 255.

[6ft5]

I like to swim laps and run in the pool. Us big tall fkrs need to stretch out and it great for joint and tendon recovery from rollin. Don't shoot winny I still have a big ass knot in my shoulder its been 3 days. I'm rollin friday hope it doesn't hurt.

[Clincher]

What AAS do you suggest?

[_CrossroadS_]

None. Eat right and do cardio...if you have a few hundred calorie deficit, and are doing the training you do already, coupled with some AM cardio, you can shed that fat very quickly. There is a difference of 14lbs between 15-20%. I'd get a more accurate measurement, or take some pics. It'd help those trying to give you advice here.

[corsa5000]

test e

[Clincher]

None. Eat right and do cardio...if you have a few hundred calorie deficit, and are doing the training you do already, coupled with some AM cardio, you can shed that fat very quickly. There is a difference of 14lbs between 15-20%. I'd get a more accurate measurement, or take some pics. It'd help those trying to give you advice here.

Well put man.


I'm going to focus on cutting more till I feel that a cycle would help in my gains. That being said, I'm sort of hijacking my own thread wondering where I can pick up clen to support my cutting efforts. Anyone suggest a reliable and safe place? Your welcome to PM me. Thanks!

[Clincher]

I knew no one would touch that last one. Lion? AR-A?

[SlimJoe]

Dbol for cutting? I don`t think so, either way winny doesnt burn fat either. Diet and cardio is the ley!

agree with this like

[6ft5]

AR-R has liquid clen. I'm bout to order sum.

["DIRTY D" SANCHEZ]

Ar-r. I hear that they actually over dose by a small amount to ensure proper dosing.
I'm glad to hear you are stepping away from the gear for a while.

Keep researching and training,

"dirty d"

[SlimJoe]

im gonna get some of that liquid clen anyone no the delivery times for uk ? thanks joe

[6ft5]

Herd delivery is 2 to 4 days?

[SlimJoe]

thanks bro i definetley will be ordering some put towards some use for my hol in july

[6ft5]

Herd delivery is 2 to 4 days?

[Clincher]

I'd much rather experiment with pill format. Anyone got any ideas?

[mg1228]

it evidently hasnt sunk in yet so i will say it again---diet and cardio

[Clincher]

mg1228 we're talking about clen now bud. No reason to get all sassy lol

[mg1228]

u dont need clen either---aint trying to get sassy---hey maybe my test is kickin in, lol

good diet and cardio is all u need---just trying to pass along this valuable piece of knowledge i learned 12mo ago

[6ft5]

I used to get pills but havnt seen any n a long time.? I love test. Lol!

[Bullnutz]

Looking to add my first cycle to the mix. I've been working out for about 2 years 3-5 times a week. I'm a amateur MMA fighter and have great cardio. I need to cut down about 20 lbs of fat and put on some serious muscle. Looking for suggestions on what to take and what kind of PCT you suggest. I'm a former D1 college football player so I have a lot of existing muscle but nothing to where I was 7-8 years ago. My stats are below....

Age - 28
Height - 6'4"
Weight - 278lbs
BF - Between 15-20%
Diet - I eat around 3500 - 4500 cal a day

I'd really like suggestions on some other then injection forms but either will do. Help me out if you got a second.

The fighters in my area eat anavar like candy.40-60mg a day would help.

[stevey_6t9]

didnt know there were so many pros on this board...

[powerliftmike]

The fighters in my area eat anavar like candy.40-60mg a day would help.

weak!!!! rookies!

[AlphaGenetics]

The fighters in my area eat anavar like candy.40-60mg a day would help.

The pros in my area eat alot of celery. Hope this helps.