Interesting post on hcg

[scorgasm]

I was doing some research and came across this post on another board..

"I did several cycles before, all the same level of test, one with Nolva only and a few with Nolva and Clomid. I always bounced back within a few months, and had the bloodwork to prove it.

On my last cycle about a year and a half ago I decided to try HCG using SWALES protocol of a bit throughout the cycle instead of all at the end.

Long story short, it's 1.5 years later and my balls are fine, but my pituitary isn't making enough LH and FSH to tell them to produce enough testosterone. So I have secondary hypogonadism at the age of 33 and it seems to be irriversible.

I tried ZMA, Tribulus, lots of full body workouts... I just can't bounce back from this and blood test after blood test all say the same thing > Low FSH, low LH, low free test and low syrum test.

It's just something to think about. I know lots of people swear by HCG, but I wish I would have just kept it simple and stuck with Nolva as-needed and let my body do the work of returning to homeostasis."


something to consider

[FranciscoG]

Can you PM me the link I like to ask that member for a copy of his blood tests.

[scorgasm]

I'm new to the forum and it won't let me open your profile? how do I pm

[PK-V]

I'm new to the forum and it won't let me open your profile? how do I pm

click his name and select send pm from the drop down menu

[scorgasm]

All it says when i click his name is view profile, send email, find all his posts or add him to my contacts.. and it wont let me view his profile or send an email

[FranciscoG]

You are new, damn it. You have to have 25 posts before PM option shows up.

[BJJ]

Can you PM me the link I like to ask that member for a copy of his blood tests.

...x2

[elfin1mf]

well he would not lie either, he is not some anti hcg drug company guy lol. I believe it because none of us really know the longterm effects of some of the stuff we take. It is most likely unrelated to the hcg, but it is still something to think about.

[bjohnson1968]

well he would not lie either, he is not some anti hcg drug company guy lol. I believe it because none of us really know the longterm effects of some of the stuff we take. It is most likely unrelated to the hcg, but it is still something to think about.

You contradict yourself within your own statement You believe him but yet say its more than likely not hcg related Im not flaming you just wondering which leg you stand on.

I believe there is alot of misguided info when related to hcg usages and doses within the same threads CONFUSING to all of us

Peace

[elfin1mf]

NOPE, I did not contradict myself. The op states that the person he is refering to took hcg and after that his pituitary never functioned properly. HE DID NOT STATE THAT HCG IS THE CAUSE. I believe all of what he said, but he did not say hcg was the cause, he just phrased it in a way that leads us to believe he thinks hcg is suspect in contributing to this loss of pituitary function. He further implies that he himself is not necessarily blaming the hcg by ending with (something to consider)

[Dave_chameau]

What kind of cycle did you run to shut yourself down like that?

[Musa]

I was doing some research and came across this post on another board..

"I did several cycles before, all the same level of test, one with Nolva only and a few with Nolva and Clomid. I always bounced back within a few months, and had the bloodwork to prove it.

On my last cycle about a year and a half ago I decided to try HCG using SWALES protocol of a bit throughout the cycle instead of all at the end.

Long story short, it's 1.5 years later and my balls are fine, but my pituitary isn't making enough LH and FSH to tell them to produce enough testosterone. So I have secondary hypogonadism at the age of 33 and it seems to be irriversible.

I tried ZMA, Tribulus, lots of full body workouts... I just can't bounce back from this and blood test after blood test all say the same thing > Low FSH, low LH, low free test and low syrum test.

It's just something to think about. I know lots of people swear by HCG, but I wish I would have just kept it simple and stuck with Nolva as-needed and let my body do the work of returning to homeostasis."


something to consider

It sounds just like my fu....ing story............

[Musa]

I was doing some research and came across this post on another board..

"I did several cycles before, all the same level of test, one with Nolva only and a few with Nolva and Clomid. I always bounced back within a few months, and had the bloodwork to prove it.

On my last cycle about a year and a half ago I decided to try HCG using SWALES protocol of a bit throughout the cycle instead of all at the end.

Long story short, it's 1.5 years later and my balls are fine, but my pituitary isn't making enough LH and FSH to tell them to produce enough testosterone. So I have secondary hypogonadism at the age of 33 and it seems to be irriversible.

I tried ZMA, Tribulus, lots of full body workouts... I just can't bounce back from this and blood test after blood test all say the same thing > Low FSH, low LH, low free test and low syrum test.

It's just something to think about. I know lots of people swear by HCG, but I wish I would have just kept it simple and stuck with Nolva as-needed and let my body do the work of returning to homeostasis."


something to consider

now that i think i only used hcg only my last cycle and never recovered

[elfin1mf]

Well SHIT this needs to get some attention. EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS

BUMP

[tylerrrman]

DAMN, good thing I'd never fk with my natty GH unless I was pro BB status but this is a really good read since theres not a whole lot of info on the stuff.

bump... bump bump

[the big 1]

Use hcg or your balls will never come back!

Dont use hcg or your balls will never come back!

Wtf do we do???

[Aodha]

So it is implying that if hcg does have something to do with the disfunction, than we should just stick with clomid and nolva just to be safe??? Unless of course we're running extreme amounts of test?

[the big 1]

So it is implying that if hcg does have something to do with the disfunction, than we should just stick with clomid and nolva just to be safe??? Unless of course we're running extreme amounts of test?

I suppose it depends on the individual???

Some shut down harder than others.

[bjohnson1968]

I think more discussion is needed as to how hcg should be run not really if. There are to many options being thrown out there from dosing to when and how long. For me its a very difficult compound to even research because all the different opinions

Peace

[TITANIUM]

It falls into that category of de-sensitizing the Leydig cells, also known as interstitial cells.

Everyone is different.

Let's see what others have to say, as it should be an interesting subject of discussion.

If Swifto, or another HOF sees this thread, it will prove to be interesting even further.

Best

T

[Hard.On]

bump for other members exp. with hcg

[TITANIUM]

It has worked for myself fine, running it during cycle.

Best

T

[the big 1]

Maybe hcg is better for when you get older and your really shuting down hard and losing size?

[mg1228]

he does say that he normally used hcg--just towards the end of cycle

[TITANIUM]

I have ran HCG the last 2-1/2 wks of a cycle, and during on another cycle.

Then it was found that during was a better choice for protocol.

Everyone is different.

Good thread.

Best

T

[bjohnson1968]

he does say that he normally used hcg--just towards the end of cycle

actually the OP states he used hcg following Swales protocal throughout cycle and not toward the end

Surely this can't be a compound that has one way for all I believe there are other factors that need to be concidered such as age

Peace

[FranciscoG]

^^ Other factors? Who has said that before?

[mg1228]

actually the OP states he used hcg following Swales protocal throughout cycle and not toward the end

Surely this can't be a compound that has one way for all I believe there are other factors that need to be concidered such as age

Peace

actually he stated that he followed swales protocol instead of running toward the end of his cycle

[mg1228]

I was doing some research and came across this post on another board..

"I did several cycles before, all the same level of test, one with Nolva only and a few with Nolva and Clomid. I always bounced back within a few months, and had the bloodwork to prove it.

On my last cycle about a year and a half ago I decided to try HCG using SWALES protocol of a bit throughout the cycle instead of all at the end.

Long story short, it's 1.5 years later and my balls are fine, but my pituitary isn't making enough LH and FSH to tell them to produce enough testosterone. So I have secondary hypogonadism at the age of 33 and it seems to be irriversible.

I tried ZMA, Tribulus, lots of full body workouts... I just can't bounce back from this and blood test after blood test all say the same thing > Low FSH, low LH, low free test and low syrum test.

It's just something to think about. I know lots of people swear by HCG, but I wish I would have just kept it simple and stuck with Nolva as-needed and let my body do the work of returning to homeostasis."


something to consider

in bold---my point was that it wasnt like the first time he ran hcg--he just normally did it at the end of a cycle

[scorgasm]

Another post from the same member..

"Just got back from the fertility doctor and his assumption after talking about what I've done with steroids and how my several blood test results came back - is that my use (or abuse, rather) of HCG throughout my last cycle has done something to cause my hypothalamus from sending the gnrh hormone to my pituitary. They (my primary care physician and an endocrinologist( did MRIs and everything to find out if something was wrong with my pituitary (thought I had a pituitary adenoma - scared the shit out of me) but it seems to be fine. My testes are fine. My sperm is fine.

I just want to share this experience with anyone who thinks about taking HCG. It may be great for you, but there are risks too. I wish I could do it over again and just stick to nolva for PCT and let my body come back to homeostasis on its own.

All previous cycles were fine. I bounced back easily. This last one has messed me up for a lifetime and the ONLY difference between this and the others is that I used HCG. "

[FranciscoG]

Can you post the name of the board that this thread is on?

[scorgasm]

just pmed the link to u

[TITANIUM]

Another post from the same member..

"Just got back from the fertility doctor and his assumption after talking about what I've done with steroids and how my several blood test results came back - is that my use (or abuse, rather) of HCG throughout my last cycle has done something to cause my hypothalamus from sending the gnrh hormone to my pituitary. They (my primary care physician and an endocrinologist( did MRIs and everything to find out if something was wrong with my pituitary (thought I had a pituitary adenoma - scared the shit out of me) but it seems to be fine. My testes are fine. My sperm is fine.

I just want to share this experience with anyone who thinks about taking HCG. It may be great for you, but there are risks too. I wish I could do it over again and just stick to nolva for PCT and let my body come back to homeostasis on its own.

All previous cycles were fine. I bounced back easily. This last one has messed me up for a lifetime and the ONLY difference between this and the others is that I used HCG. "

Interesting.

What do you think PharmDoc-Cyrus?

Best

T

[DCannon]

in bold---my point was that it wasnt like the first time he ran hcg--he just normally did it at the end of a cycle

I think he WAS saying it was the first time he used hcg.

[bjohnson1968]

I think he WAS saying it was the first time he used hcg.

thats the way I read it

[mg1228]

I think he WAS saying it was the first time he used hcg.

yea ur right

[mg1228]

fuuuck---i just pinned 500 iu this morning

yesterday started my 7th week prop 100mg eod---actually yhe last 2 weeks i increased dosage to 125mg eod--was planning on running 500iu hcg 3 times a week for 2 weeks then dropping it to 250iu 3 times a week for the last 2 weeks of my cycle--

any expert opinions

[Solomon]

Bump?

[bjohnson1968]

fuuuck---i just pinned 500 iu this morning

yesterday started my 7th week prop 100mg eod---actually yhe last 2 weeks i increased dosage to 125mg eod--was planning on running 500iu hcg 3 times a week for 2 weeks then dropping it to 250iu 3 times a week for the last 2 weeks of my cycle--

any expert opinions

from what I gather MG only from reading I personally havent used yet due to all the conflicting info i read what your doing is the more traditional way of using hcg Last few weeks of cycle

peace

[stevey_6t9]

maybe all the years of cycling finally caught up to him.

he did say he has done several cycles before

time to face the music i think.... it was his decision.