Help: w/ girlfriend's (pics!) cutting stack for photo-shoot

[Vitruvian-Man]

Hey y'all,

Anyways, as the title states, my girlfriend has decided to take a photo-shoot in exactly 5 weeks time. She just finished competing a couple of weeks ago (pics attached below.)

I thought she did excellent in the figure show, and came 3rd place. However, she wasn't particularly happy with the results. She's basically a perfectionist. I'm sure some of you can relate.

In any case these are her stats:

5'9
125
BF = low, not 100% certain. She's going to get testing done on Tuesday.
goals = very lean for shoot; hopefully 4 - 6 abs can have some clear definition to them.

We just started her on GH @ 0.5iu/ed and it's been ~1 week on so far. We've decided that we aren't going to ramp the dosage up for the next month, just so that no sides occur close to the shoot. (bloat). So that shouldn't be a problem.

In any case, she wanted me to line up something to help her out, as she doesn't have as much time to prep for this shoot. (she's really banking on the fact that she comes out really nice for it. -- and I truly believe she has a chance of getting noticed as well! -- that may just be biased thinking though haha)

This is what I was thinking.. Starting tomorrow:

Anavar (weeks 1 - 4.5) @ 10mg/ed
Clen (weeks 1 - 2) @ 40mcg - ramp up to 80mcg/ed
T3 (weeks 1 - 4.5) @ 25mcg/ed (drop to 12.5mcg/ed for 3 days leading up to the shoot)
ECA (weeks 3 - 5) @ 16/200/81 (mg of each.)

She's had experience w/ all those compounds, and they always work very well for her. Luckily she remains very lean, even while in 'off-season' so she doesn't have much of a cut to do. Is there anything you guys would change?

If you're wondering why she uses ECA, and not clen right prior to the shoot, I honestly don't have a clue. She always prefers ECA right before contest, etc. It works the best for her in the past, and she doesn't really want to change it. (she still likes clen though -- I don't know.. girls are weird ) haha.

I've been dabbling w/ the idea of throwing in proviron at a really low dosage, to see if that might help a bit. (IE) 5 - 10mg/ed. Although, at this point I can't find much info on women + proviron (other then the fact that they should not use it @ 25+mg/ed.)

Any and all help would be appreciated.

-VM

[c-Z]

If she is in the black in the 4th img..... She looks fine. The girl in purple looks fat LOL

If she lost like 5-10lbs she will be solid. Shes 5'9 shes rather tall...

How is her diet?

[Vitruvian-Man]

If she is in the black in the 4th img..... She looks fine. The girl in purple looks fat LOL

If she lost like 5-10lbs she will be solid. Shes 5'9 shes rather tall...

How is her diet?

Yup, she's in black all the way through. lol.

Yah, she's planning on cutting to around 110 for the shoot. That's pretty light for a girl that tall. That's why I'm throwing the anavar into the mix, just to hold as much muscle as possible.

Diet is excellent. Tons of vegetables, lean meat, low-fat yogurt, and fruits.

She's going to start carb manipulation this upcoming week, I can keep you guys updated on that if anyone is interested. (sorry for not being particular detailed. we are just working out the details now.)

-VM

[c-Z]

Well clen and var dose looks good.. My girl never ran t3.. Soo my knowledge with t3 is lacking....

If she has used them in the past Im sure you/her have done your research.

Just keep on her hard. Keep that diet in check.... You and I both know the results simply diet + cardio will yield. if shes running those three substances as well.... She will be a Knock out bro.

[FranciscoG]

Your plan to have her run var/t3/clen sounds great.

If I can make a few suggestions.

Please please please make sure the var is human grade. Chinese powders are unreliable at best and UG stuff is questionable. For women the wrong aas may make for very bad results.

In place of T3 use T4. It is less harsh. It has a half life of 4-5 days instead of less than 24 hours. So it is much more stable. It will allow for back filling the pathways and recovery is better.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Well clen and var dose looks good.. My girl never ran t3.. Soo my knowledge with t3 is lacking....

If she has used them in the past Im sure you/her have done your research.

Just keep on her hard. Keep that diet in check.... You and I both know the results simply diet + cardio will yield. if shes running those three substances as well.... She will be a Knock out bro.

Good man. Thanks for the info, and I will. You're right tho: lots of thermogenics! haha

I'll update pics in 2 - 3 weeks, once she lets me take the thong pics!! wooohoo!

-VM

[Vitruvian-Man]

Your plan to have her run var/t3/clen sounds great.

If I can make a few suggestions.

Please please please make sure the var is human grade. Chinese powders are unreliable at best and UG stuff is questionable. For women the wrong aas may make for very bad results.

In place of T3 use T4. It is less harsh. It has a half life of 4-5 days instead of less than 24 hours. So it is much more stable. It will allow for back filling the pathways and recovery is better.

Sup bro, thanks for dropping in. I was hoping to hear from you.

Believe it or not, I've got my hands on some Oxandrin... (enough said )

I'm liking your idea about the T4 and I'm going to look into it. If I'm not mistaken though bro, doesn't T4 just convert into T3 eventually. It's just more of a long term solution to thyroid issues correct?

-VM

[FranciscoG]

Sup bro, thanks for dropping in. I was hoping to hear from you.

Believe it or not, I've got my hands on some Oxandrin... (enough said )

I'm liking your idea about the T4 and I'm going to look into it. If I'm not mistaken though bro, doesn't T4 just convert into T3 eventually. It's just more of a long term solution to thyroid issues correct?

-VM

Yes at 35%-45% it allows for more stable blood levels and less hrash sides.

I been taking t4 for the last month in place of t3 and the results seam better.

I will PM for suggestions.

[gymnerd]

Congratulations your a lucky guy.

[JinNtonic]

She looks amazing wow.

[stevey_6t9]

If she is in the black in the 4th img..... She looks fine. The girl in purple looks fat LOL

If she lost like 5-10lbs she will be solid. Shes 5'9 shes rather tall...

How is her diet?

agreed haha. too many twinkie bars

[CanYouDigIt]

leaning out more then she is at the moment, like wow, she's fine as it is right now, don't know why she would want to lean out more then she is in those picture to be honest.

can't really help on the issue,

but tell her GL n that's she's fine as it is.

[Vitruvian-Man]

She looks amazing wow.

thanks bro, guess you'll be subscribed for the upcoming thong pics. LOL.

Congratulations your a lucky guy.

thanks

leaning out more then she is at the moment, like wow, she's fine as it is right now, don't know why she would want to lean out more then she is in those picture to be honest.

can't really help on the issue,

but tell her GL n that's she's fine as it is.

haha thanks... she is quite lean; however, in competition she isn't doing as well as she possibly could due to not having a 'cut' enough complexion - she's very lean, and toned.. which is good for an athletic sort of look; however, she needs to lose a little fat from her butt, and bring out her abs more.

Maybe it's time to start training legs (squats included) x 2 per week... hmm.

-VM

[Dog-Slime]

thanks bro, guess you'll be subscribed for the upcoming thong pics. LOL.


thanks



haha thanks... she is quite lean; however, in competition she isn't doing as well as she possibly could due to not having a 'cut' enough complexion - she's very lean, and toned.. which is good for an athletic sort of look; however, she needs to lose a little fat from her butt, and bring out her abs more.

Maybe it's time to start training legs (squats included) x 2 per week... hmm.

-VM

I know I will be. She looks great and so does yalls plans on the cycle. No proviron tho.

I have to disagree on the needing to lose the fat on her butt tho I was very impressed that she was so lean yet it was still so plump. Quite a creature you got there.

[Epic Ed]

She's hawt. Tell her to not change a damn thing. In fact, she could use a sammich or two, IMO.

Sammich. Eat one.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I know I will be. She looks great and so does yalls plans on the cycle. No proviron tho.

I have to disagree on the needing to lose the fat on her butt tho I was very impressed that she was so lean yet it was still so plump. Quite a creature you got there.

She has strengths, and plenty of weaknesses. She does have work to get done. Just because you like a plump bum in bed doesn't necessarily correlate to higher points on the score-cards! Thanks for the compliment tho.

She's hawt. Tell her to not change a damn thing. In fact, she could use a sammich or two, IMO.

Sammich. Eat one.

lol... are you high right now?! jeez man.

[Epic Ed]

Nope -- sorry I have no cycle advice for her, but seriously, she looks freakin perfect. I know we all see flaws in the mirror but sometimes folks need to put things in a bit of a different perspective. She is 99.9% more perfectly in shape than anyone else on the planet. Where does the pursuit end? When do people like her ever get to feel satisfied with what they've accomplished and just enjoy it? I don't know what type of modeling she's planning to do but there's a very small niche market for body building women. VERY small. There's a much bigger market for attractive women who are in great shape and still look very sexy and feminine. Your lady is in the later group. I'd encourage her to not change a thing.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Nope -- sorry I have no cycle advice for her, but seriously, she looks freakin perfect. I know we all see flaws in the mirror but sometimes folks need to put things in a bit of a different perspective. She is 99.9% more perfectly in shape than anyone else on the planet. Where does the pursuit end? When do people like her ever get to feel satisfied with what they've accomplished and just enjoy it? I don't know what type of modeling she's planning to do but there's a very small niche market for body building women. VERY small. There's a much bigger market for attractive women who are in great shape and still look very sexy and feminine. Your lady is in the later group. I'd encourage her to not change a thing.

Very well said bro.

She's trying to break into the fitness model scene. She's already done regular modeling for most of her teenage life. She does enjoy her body, but she also wants to change it. You don't have to worry, she is not going to be injecting 300mg/wk of prop... I'm not planning on transforming her into a hermaphrodite loll. I'm just helping her achieve a much better muscle definition and separation for the future - that's ultimately the goal.

-VM

BUMP: For anyone w/ info on Women + Proviron, and the type of dosage one would be looking at.

[Vitruvian-Man]

First pic are obviously her... second two are where she would like to be.

-VM

[RANA]

I assume she will be competing in figure not fitness? My wifes competes in fitness. Judge can vary so much in each competion, there are times they want some muscle on them and then now they want them skinner almost like the bikini models.
Did she want to take var to put on a little mass?

[c-Z]

First pic are obviously her... second two are where she would like to be.

-VM

3rd chick has a slamming body! WHOOOAAA!

yer girl has some nice definition. Shes not far from there....

[Vitruvian-Man]

I assume she will be competing in figure not fitness? My wifes competes in fitness. Judge can vary so much in each competion, there are times they want some muscle on them and then now they want them skinner almost like the bikini models.
Did she want to take var to put on a little mass?

Yes - she competes in figure comps. Your wife must have an amazing body! lol.

The reasoning behind anavar is that she has to prep in 5 weeks. She doesn't want to lose lots of muscle from this cut, because she felt like she didn't retain as much as she was hoping to in her last contest-prep. So yeah, the var is to retain muscle mass, while she cuts away. (and maybe to help harden the physique a bit!)

-VM

[RANA]

Im sure she is set on taking var for 5 weeks, but she might want to contemplate holding off until the show and then either do a cycle with var or primo, they will build nice muscle with little to no sides.
My wife has only done a couple of cycles with var and primo to help with her legs, but she did those with more of a time gap so that will she will not feel rush into var. Have her take it after the show and she can focus on building a little more mass and then she can worry about leaning out for the next show

[Vitruvian-Man]

Im sure she is set on taking var for 5 weeks, but she might want to contemplate holding off until the show and then either do a cycle with var or primo, they will build nice muscle with little to no sides.
My wife has only done a couple of cycles with var and primo to help with her legs, but she did those with more of a time gap so that will she will not feel rush into var. Have her take it after the show and she can focus on building a little more mass and then she can worry about leaning out for the next show

This is the type of info I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to respond bro.

Now, just to clarify, (I think you must have mis-interpreted.) she just finished her latest competition; and she is not going to be competing on stage again for another 5 months. The reason she wants to take this stack of thermogenic + mild AAS now is because she has a photo-shoot, for a somewhat respectable fitness magazine coming up in 5 weeks time. She hasn't gained that much weight post-contest, but she's is heavier then she would like to be for the shoot.

--she wants to continue to compete in figure shows currently, but is hoping to get into serious fitness modeling at some point soon--

The plan is to basically get her on this cycle, and cut weight, while trying to retain as much muscle as possible. Then after the photo-shoot, she is going to begin 'bulking' for the next 3 - 3.5 months, and then cut again for the upcoming show. (keeping in mind GH should be producing some noticeable chances after 4 - 5 months into it.)

While I've got you here for a second though, what dosage did you have your wife on (max dosage too plz)... and same goes for primo? what were the results like w/ primo? how long do women need to run that compound for? do you happen to have any experience w/ women and the hardening effects of proviron?

Thanks in advance

-VM

[RANA]

I thought she was 5 weeks out from a comp. But 5 months is great, she is able to take either primo and/or var and still stay lean. By her pics she looks very lean and it doesn't look like she maintains much BF. she did 200mg pw of primo, she was on a strick diet and stayed very lean, she gained approximately 5 lbs of muscle 2" on both her calves and quads. She ran an 8 week cycle, Wizard has a lot of experience when it comes to females and gear.
I can't answer the effects of proviron.

[Vitruvian-Man]

I thought she was 5 weeks out from a comp. But 5 months is great, she is able to take either primo and/or var and still stay lean. By her pics she looks very lean and it doesn't look like she maintains much BF. she did 200mg pw of primo, she was on a strick diet and stayed very lean, she gained approximately 5 lbs of muscle 2" on both her calves and quads. She ran an 8 week cycle, Wizard has a lot of experience when it comes to females and gear.
I can't answer the effects of proviron.

Cool, thanks bro. I've been getting a lot of my info from "Miss Muscle" who is a BB from another site... she's pretty well versed, but she's an actual female BB, and doesn't necessarily use the compounds I'm interested in for figure @ the dosages I'm interested in. (if you get what I mean ) loll.

I'll definitely look into the primo though. thanks again

-VM

[RANA]

Stay away from winny and some other compounds unless you want your girl to dramatically start getting the sides that are common to transform her to male features.

[dec11]

First pic are obviously her... second two are where she would like to be.

-VM

i once trained a tri-athlete who was similar to picture number three and slightly more muscular than your gfriend when she started with me, she had superb genetics and body shape, i put her through a powerlifting routinue and tht really shaped her up, as for what gear to use, im not sure as this girl was all natural, but the plifting routinue worked a treat

[Vitruvian-Man]

Stay away from winny and some other compounds unless you want your girl to dramatically start getting the sides that are common to transform her to male features.

Well she's on Tren only right now... 3rd week in... that should be a problem right? jokes!

haha, I'm spending the money on this girls GH bro! I'm not going to let her turn into a man

i once trained a tri-athlete who was similar to picture number three and slightly more muscular than your gfriend when she started with me, she had superb genetics and body shape, i put her through a powerlifting routinue and tht really shaped her up, as for what gear to use, im not sure as this girl was all natural, but the plifting routinue worked a treat

damn, that would have been an amazing all natty body. I'll tell her to ask about a PL routine. (obvs not right now - as training is set for the next month.) thanks for the suggestion.

-VM

[BJJ]

First pic are obviously her... second two are where she would like to be.

-VM

Good Luck.

[dec11]

Well she's on Tren only right now... 3rd week in... that should be a problem right? jokes!

haha, I'm spending the money on this girls GH bro! I'm not going to let her turn into a man



damn, that would have been an amazing all natty body. I'll tell her to ask about a PL routine. (obvs not right now - as training is set for the next month.) thanks for the suggestion.

-VM

yeah man, heavy low reps on the compounds and high rep shaping on the assistant exercises, have had lots of women respond fantastic to this.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Just an update:

Starting today, she's started up on Oxandrin (Savient Pharmaceuticals) we are beginning her on 5mg/ed and bumping it up to 10mg in 2 days (Wednesday, March 17th)

We decided on 40mcg/ed of clen + 50mcg of T3 for right now. After week 2 - 3 we will look back on the progress, and then decide on a course of action for the next 2 weeks.

Bumped up cardio to x5 per week. (early morning, and night time.)

Time for the magic to start happening.

-VM

[RANA]

Great keep us posted, she should log on here and make a log. this can help other females. I'm sure your g/f is like my wife and finds it easier for you and I to do all the work...lol

[Vitruvian-Man]

Great keep us posted, she should log on here and make a log. this can help other females. I'm sure your g/f is like my wife and finds it easier for you and I to do all the work...lol

women... women...

lol. I'll ask her about it though. She works in front of a computer all day, so I'm not too sure much she would want to when she comes home. But no doubt logs are helpful.

As you can tell from the pics I've posted thus far, I'm an awful photographer, haha.

Although, I didn't think they turned out that badly w/ the amount of zoom I was using to get a clear pic of her.

Oh BTW bro, I decided to hold off on the proviron. I read this article last night that women can have very irregular menstruation from even 10mg/ed of proviron. And my g/f is already having some issues w/ her current birth control.. I'm pretty sure she'd go crazy. haha

-VM

[RANA]

women... women...

lol. I'll ask her about it though. She works in front of a computer all day, so I'm not too sure much she would want to when she comes home. But no doubt logs are helpful.

As you can tell from the pics I've posted thus far, I'm an awful photographer, haha.

Although, I didn't think they turned out that badly w/ the amount of zoom I was using to get a clear pic of her.

Oh BTW bro, I decided to hold off on the proviron. I read this article last night that women can have very irregular menstruation from even 10mg/ed of proviron. And my g/f is already having some issues w/ her current birth control.. I'm pretty sure she'd go crazy. haha
-VM

When my wife is on her diet her menstrual cycle is screwed up, she may not have a period for months, also when she was on gear

[Swifto]

Very well said bro.

She's trying to break into the fitness model scene. She's already done regular modeling for most of her teenage life. She does enjoy her body, but she also wants to change it. You don't have to worry, she is not going to be injecting 300mg/wk of prop... I'm not planning on transforming her into a hermaphrodite loll. I'm just helping her achieve a much better muscle definition and separation for the future - that's ultimately the goal.

-VM

BUMP: For anyone w/ info on Women + Proviron, and the type of dosage one would be looking at.

I'd stay away from androgenic compounds like, Masteron, Winstrol and Proviron etc...

[no1tou]

Hmmmm...I'm sorry I just don't have enough to go on here. Yeah...I'm definitely going to need more pics to be of any help.

Sorry couldn't help it. Personally I think she's good to go as is! If she aint broke don't fix her!

[Bossman]

You're a lucky man!

I've been working with a female BBr for a little over a year now. Finding out what the advanced competitors are using has been tough. In female bbing though, proviron is considered a must. I can tell you these national level ladies are running nearly everything guys do, just at lower quantities.

25 mg a day would be a good dose. My competitor ran more...

[Dog-Slime]

You're a lucky man!

I've been working with a female BBr for a little over a year now. Finding out what the advanced competitors are using has been tough. In female bbing though, proviron is considered a must. I can tell you these national level ladies are running nearly everything guys do, just at lower quantities.

25 mg a day would be a good dose. My competitor ran more...

I think his wife is going for the sexy fit lady look. NOT the my dick is bigger than my husbands look...

[AlphaMaleDawg]

she's hot! good to see you are keeping your pimp hand strong