Article: Low dose Test + Var > Higher dose test

[americanoak]

Heres a pretty interesting article doen on HIV paitents.

Some were given 100mg/week/8weeks + 20mgvar/ed
and others were just given 100mg test + placebo

The test/var group gained 4kg more than the test only group and also lost a small % more bf.

Only downside was the the test n var group had lower LH and FSH at the end.

http://www.ergo-log.com/oxandrolonetestosterone.html

[americanoak]

just for those interested^^

The article site that i linked to also contanis a lot of other articles on supplaments and boosting test naturally and burning fat, etc.

[Sheven]

its a bit difficult to gain 8kg of free fast muscle mass from 100mg for 8 weeks and 20mg of anavar. maybe in AIDS subject is possible but in healthy males is a bit exaggerated imo.

[americanoak]

i see what u mean since a trt is like 250mg right?

that u in ur avi btw?

[taiboxa]

cant really correlate aids patience to bbing/weight training individuals..

[americanoak]

well if it worked on a small scale for them
it could possible work on a smaller scale for non aids paitence

meaning.. they gained ~8kg, while a reg person may only gain an extra kg, either way it has to have some truth behind it for non aids paitence it seems

[taiboxa]

well if it worked on a small scale for them
it could possible work on a smaller scale for non aids paitence

meaning.. they gained ~8kg, while a reg person may only gain an extra kg, either way it has to have some truth behind it for non aids paitence it seems

doesnt really work like that in real world

[americanoak]

ill take your word for it then aha
you prolly know more than me

[smiler]

i know several guys that did very low test first cycle and had great results. i have zero doubt 100mg test and a bit a var will do wonders for the first timer. not gonna be Jay but a real skinny bro can do alright. I've seen it a few x

[dec11]

just for those interested^^

The article site that i linked to also contanis a lot of other articles on supplaments and boosting test naturally and burning fat, etc.

in 17yrs of trying, ive yet to find something tht does

[taiboxa]

i know several guys that did very low test first cycle and had great results. i have zero doubt 100mg test and a bit a var will do wonders for the first timer. not gonna be Jay but a real skinny bro can do alright. I've seen it a few x

theres the prob.. a real skinny guy shouldnt be meddling w/ aas to begin with.. i see way too many nooblingers jumpin on the aas bandwagon prematurely.. its truly sad

[smiler]

theres the prob.. a real skinny guy shouldnt be meddling w/ aas to begin with.. i see way too many nooblingers jumpin on the aas bandwagon prematurely.. its truly sad

i agree to a point bro, but i have known a few guys that busted ass in the gym, ate right but just couldn't gain. were strong but wanted mass. i personally saw what a very low dose test did for a few, and i must admit, if i was in those shoes i would. but i hope I'm clear....these guys were not "kids"

[smiler]

i know when i jumped in it was premature... of course i would do several things diff looking back. in fact i shoulda started how we are talking now....very low dose test. unfortunately for us "old" guys" we didn't have awesome sites like this.... crap didn't even have internet or computers lol. leave it up to what the biggest bro in the gym said

[taiboxa]

i agree to a point bro, but i have known a few guys that busted ass in the gym, ate right but just couldn't gain. were strong but wanted mass. i personally saw what a very low dose test did for a few, and i must admit, if i was in those shoes i would. but i hope I'm clear....these guys were not "kids"

usually thats a thyroidic issue though

[smiler]

usually thats a thyroidic issue though

perhaps, i certainly can't answer as to that. i just know the results from a very low test 1st cycle worked very well for a few guys i observed

[americanoak]

what kind of dose smiler?
test e?

[elfin1mf]

more hormone = more gains?!?!... what a surprise haha.

[americanoak]

i dont think you read correctly elifin1mf

[smiler]

what kind of dose smiler?
test e?

i have seen 1st timers make very good, solid gains off cyp 200mg ew. i know plenty of bros are gonna call B.S. but it's not. believe me or not. oh yea was human grade so no overdosed ugl

[elfin1mf]

"Eleven of the men were given a weekly injection of 100 mg testosterone enanthate and took a placebo. The other eleven men were given 20 mg oxandrolone each day. "

I do not get it at all. If I take 100mg test per week, why is this considered more than 20mg oxandralone each day? These were the 2 groups in comparison... I do not see the 20 week 600mg group? The study is not worded very well... Obviously it is not saying what I think it is saying, but I do not think it is saying what the writer of the study thinks it is saying either! haha

[americanoak]

its saying a group who took a small dose of 100mg test 20mg var got results very similar to the 20 week 600mg group, while the only 100mg test 2 group did not,

[smiler]

well i do believe low test can have results. no way is 100mg ew gonna be anywhere near 600mg ew as far as muscle gains