I need help. ASAP

[JohnnyMarsh]

Hey guys

Let me introduce myself. I am 21 living in Toronto Canada. I am 6 foot 200 pounds with a 20% bmi. I am working on my diet, trying to eat better everymeal but i need help with getting bigger. I am not going for body builder but I want to get alot bigger. I have a decent base that I am starting with but I really want to get onto some kind of oral anabolic. I need to see results. I am very dedicated to the gym and but im just not getting enough out. If someone could guide me onto certain stack or cycle that worked for them with maybe a workout plan as well that would be unreal. Please help guys, I have been wanting to get into better physical shape for a while now.


Thanks
John

[Musa]

Hey guys

Let me introduce myself. I am 21 living in Toronto Canada. I am 6 foot 200 pounds with a 20% bmi. I am working on my diet, trying to eat better everymeal but i need help with getting bigger. I am not going for body builder but I want to get alot bigger. I have a decent base that I am starting with but I really want to get onto some kind of oral anabolic. I need to see results. I am very dedicated to the gym and but im just not getting enough out. If someone could guide me onto certain stack or cycle that worked for them with maybe a workout plan as well that would be unreal. Please help guys, I have been wanting to get into better physical shape for a while now.


Thanks
John

Why oral??

[dock holliday]

if you are not willing to pin, doing orals are a waste of time and money. they may also decrease your present stats if you went with something like dbol.

the vets here are going to tell you that you should not do oral only cycle. if you want help with a real cycle, and not just an oral, i can help. i've been doing a lot of research and made some mistakes that i can show you not to make, but i'll let a vet handle this question. you need to be willing to incorporate test in whatever cycle you do, especially if you are new.

[Arian]

lol, need help ASAP? Come on man, nobody needs steroids asap. Sounds to me that you're one of the people who wants the magic pill that makes everything better. You don't need a decent base to start with, you need an awesome base. And you don't need steroids to "get into better physical shape". You need hard work in the gym. And just like everyone else who's first post is "what stack do i need to do?", just read the stickies at the top of this section.

[B1gDaddy]

You dont need steriods to get bigger, it can be done naturally, ur obviously doing some things wrong. You need to have a clean diet suited towards your goals, same goes with your workout out routine. No one here is going to spoon feed you for what you need to do. You need to put in the time and do the research around this forum and put together your own diet and cycle that you think would work for you, then just post it up in the right section and the vets will critique what you have posted.

[B1gDaddy]

lol, need help ASAP? Come on man, nobody needs steroids asap. Sounds to me that you're one of the people who wants the magic pill that makes everything better. You don't need a decent base to start with, you need an awesome base. And you don't need steroids to "get into better physical shape". You need hard work in the gym. And just like everyone else who's first post is "what stack do i need to do?", just read the stickies at the top of this section.

^ Damn beat me to it lol, agreed

[Arian]

Starting to make me feel like a grandpa before I'm 30. "Damn kids!!" lol

[scorgasm]

if you are not willing to pin, doing orals are a waste of time and money. they may also decrease your present stats if you went with something like dbol.

the vets here are going to tell you that you should not do oral only cycle. if you want help with a real cycle, and not just an oral, i can help. i've been doing a lot of research and made some mistakes that i can show you not to make, but i'll let a vet handle this question. you need to be willing to incorporate test in whatever cycle you do, especially if you are new.

how could they decrease present stats?

[dock holliday]

they can decrease present stats indirectly because you are going to have gains at first, then stop taking them, start losing weight and strength, and thus motivation to continue.

do you not agree. please enlighten me.

[B1gDaddy]

how could they decrease present stats?

I dont think they would decrease stats.. most of the time if people dont do a proper cycle they'll just end up losing all their gains and have a lighter wallet to carry around after blowing money on a stupid cycle lol

[dock holliday]

I dont think they would decrease stats.. most of the time if people dont do a proper cycle they'll just end up losing all their gains and have a lighter wallet to carry around after blowing money on a stupid cycle lol

im not saying that the orals will cause the actual decrease in present stats, but what im suggesting is the possibility of the subject to stop working out because he is only losing size and strength at a fast pace if taking dbol, which is the oral i referred to in my opening post.

it is very plausible. if not. why not?

[B1gDaddy]

im not saying that the orals will cause the actual decrease in present stats, but what im suggesting is the possibility of the subject to stop working out because he is only losing size and strength at a fast pace if taking dbol, which is the oral i referred to in my opening post.

it is very plausible. if not. why not?

i was referring to a general cycle not an oral cycle.

[dock holliday]

not trying to be a dick, but the initial post related to a guy wanting an oral steroid cycle. we're cool.

[B1gDaddy]

yeah its cool. I didnt think there was a difference really. didnt think either oral or injected cycles would decrease ur stats lower than what they were before you started the cycle, besides obviosuly the harmful effects an oral cycle can have on ur liver.

Have u had this happen to you before from a oral cycle?

[JohnnyMarsh]

Sorry guys I feel like an ass for asking such a rookie quesiton. Im just new to all of this and thought this would be a good place to come for some answers. I would make my own cycle and diet but all i know about roids is what i have read on this website. So if someone wants to inlighten me on how much better it is to pin versus doing oral that would be awsome. Also another rookie quesiton. How do u control your size when your juicin, and how do u maintain it ? do u have to keep doing cycles every couple months? whats the deal?

Thanks

[B1gDaddy]

When you juice you usually dont want to control your size you just wanna get as much out of it as possible. And to maintain your muscle mass and what uve gained, its pretty obvious isnt it lol. all u have to do is just keep working out hard an eating right, you dont have to keep cycling every few months and i dont think that is very safe either to be cycling that much.

If you've read these forums its very simple to make your own diet and cycle. Just look at what diets and cycles some other people post and learn from their mistakes and all the advice the Vet's give them, and create your own and have it checked out, all you need to do is put in the time and effort of researching on this forum an then putting together what u think is right an posting it up.

[ScotchGuard]

Anavar is a pretty good oral. If this is your first cycle I would recommend you keep it simple. 21's young to be going on AAS. Your endocrine system doesn't fully mature until your about 25. If you get on AAS and start playing with your hormones you could screw yourself down the road. People 30 years old are on permanent TRT. For now, you should work on your diet, supplement, and train hard. Give yourself some time to maximize your natural potential.

[dock holliday]

yeah its cool. I didnt think there was a difference really. didnt think either oral or injected cycles would decrease ur stats lower than what they were before you started the cycle, besides obviosuly the harmful effects an oral cycle can have on ur liver.

Have u had this happen to you before from a oral cycle?

no, but i just listen to the vets responding to the other guys asking about oral only cycles and they say its a waste of time and money. i have come to realize that test is the very best way for a beginner to cycle based on your body's chemistry, which means gains can be "somewhat" kept as long as you do a proper pct, as well as including hcg (during or post). i've never read anything positive about an oral-only cycle.

[scorgasm]

no, but i just listen to the vets responding to the other guys asking about oral only cycles and they say its a waste of time and money. i have come to realize that test is the very best way for a beginner to cycle based on your body's chemistry, which means gains can be "somewhat" kept as long as you do a proper pct, as well as including hcg (during or post). i've never read anything positive about an oral-only cycle.

i've heard great things about turinabol only cycles

[lovbyts]

Hey guys

Let me introduce myself. I am 21 living in Toronto Canada. I am 6 foot 200 pounds with a 20% bmi. I am working on my diet, trying to eat better everymeal but i need help with getting bigger. I am not going for body builder but I want to get alot bigger. I have a decent base that I am starting with but I really want to get onto some kind of oral anabolic. I need to see results. I am very dedicated to the gym and but im just not getting enough out. If someone could guide me onto certain stack or cycle that worked for them with maybe a workout plan as well that would be unreal. Please help guys, I have been wanting to get into better physical shape for a while now.


Thanks
John

Guys. STOP. He is 21, his BMI is 20% Why would any of you think it's a good or better idea for him to pin vs oral? They are bad for him at this point do to many reasons.

Please read the stick notes above about why you should NOT cycle before 24/25 and also when your BMI is above 12-15% max.

You are headed to a lot more problems than you have now if you decide to run any kind of cycle anytime soon.

Work on the diet, the gym. There is nothing you can do with orals or injection you can not do with diet at this point except with diet and exercise you will keep your gains, not grow bitch tits, not experience bloat, acne and many other sides that will come along with using aas right now.

[JohnnyMarsh]

Thanks for all the information boys. So from what I am hearing I definitly SHOULD NOT start any oral or pin cycle. This is why I came on here to get some answer so I am really pumped I got some good feed back. From what I am hearing I should defintly start working harder on the diet and get down below the 15% bmi and also wait till I am around 25. Thanks for all your help guys. I am gonna work at the diet and at getting buffer before hitting any sort of AAS. One last quesiton I guess for you guys. I am guessing I am gonna need some suppliments to help me out as I have never used anything other than some protien shakes after my work outs. Any hints on good suppliments out there to give me that extra kick at the gym. I guess i need something that will assist with fat loss and muscle retension. Any tips again would be awsome. Thanks guy

[bowwow]

Thanks for all the information boys. So from what I am hearing I definitly SHOULD NOT start any oral or pin cycle. This is why I came on here to get some answer so I am really pumped I got some good feed back. From what I am hearing I should defintly start working harder on the diet and get down below the 15% bmi and also wait till I am around 25. Thanks for all your help guys. I am gonna work at the diet and at getting buffer before hitting any sort of AAS. One last quesiton I guess for you guys. I am guessing I am gonna need some suppliments to help me out as I have never used anything other than some protien shakes after my work outs. Any hints on good suppliments out there to give me that extra kick at the gym. I guess i need something that will assist with fat loss and muscle retension. Any tips again would be awsome. Thanks guy

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[lovbyts]

Thanks for all the information boys. So from what I am hearing I definitly SHOULD NOT start any oral or pin cycle. This is why I came on here to get some answer so I am really pumped I got some good feed back. From what I am hearing I should defintly start working harder on the diet and get down below the 15% bmi and also wait till I am around 25. Thanks for all your help guys. I am gonna work at the diet and at getting buffer before hitting any sort of AAS. One last quesiton I guess for you guys. I am guessing I am gonna need some suppliments to help me out as I have never used anything other than some protien shakes after my work outs. Any hints on good suppliments out there to give me that extra kick at the gym. I guess i need something that will assist with fat loss and muscle retension. Any tips again would be awsome. Thanks guy

Good to hear you are looking forward and taking some advise. A good kick start honestly is some coffee, plain simple back coffee about 1/2 hr before the gym or at least it works for me to get a little kick and a lot of water at the gym.

Best fat loss is the cardio from treadmill or elliptical. Start with 20 minutes before and 20 minutes after working out 3x a week and kick it up from there ASAP along with a better diet and learning to eat 6+ times a day. This will do wonders.

[B1gDaddy]

no, but i just listen to the vets responding to the other guys asking about oral only cycles and they say its a waste of time and money. i have come to realize that test is the very best way for a beginner to cycle based on your body's chemistry, which means gains can be "somewhat" kept as long as you do a proper pct, as well as including hcg (during or post). i've never read anything positive about an oral-only cycle.

Yeah ive always thot oral cycles were a waste too but now that i know if u mess up a oral cycle u could be worse off after it than u were before starting it i wonder why people even think about doing it lol, andyeah test is easily the best thing to use to gain mass an help burn fat.

[Kingkuts]

My first cycle was dbol only for 5 weeks at 50 mg ed. I didn't eat right and screwed my PCT up. At the end of it, I lost probably 80% of my gains and felt like crap. Luckily it was free, or I would have wasted my money. My second cycle was Test/Deca. I ate a little better, and had a PCT this time. I still lost quite of bit of gains due to the fact I was uneducated. I relied on friends and gym mates for bad advice. Took a few years off and now I'm on my 3rd. Test E, EQ, used dbol for kick start. My diet is nice, making great gains and progress. All because I researched forums like this one and got some real advice and education about what I was doing to my body.

I would never take an oral only cycle ever again. I suggest about a month of research and reading on a daily basis about diet, routine and then steroids. Otherwise you are risking your health and wasting money. And have nothing to show for it.