I only recently found out about the serious potential negative side effects to winstrol use, and it got me thinking. The ED is caused by winstrol totally shutting down your bodies endogenous testosterone production right, so you shouldn't take it without some other form of testosterone as well (right?). Since t-bol is a testosterone derivative, could taking a dose of say 40mg t-bol with 50mg a day (or every other day?) of winstrol counteract the negative side effects? Even if this were possible, I still worry about the strain both will put on your liver since both are taken orally, have any of you ever taken both at the same time? Just curious.