big problem please help

[michi]

hi , my younger brother is in deep sh*t and he needs help asap. i wish he told me from the beggining that he is on steriods but he didnt because he knows i dont like the idea of him cycling this early.

his cycle was
age 23
wieght 96kg
cycle number 2

100mg eod primo for 18 weeks
test prop 100mg eod week 1-6 then off week 6-12 then on week 12-8
winstrol 50mg eod week 10-18

the problem is he didnt take any pct, his stupid trainer told him that its fine, that what he took is safe and the body recovers from fast (how stupid).
now the big prblem starts , after 2 months off feeling that he doesnt have testesterone he went back to his trainer and told him, he said that he should take 500iu of hcg , as u know they sell them by 5000iu and he got confused so he took 5000iu eod for 10 days. after he saw no results he came to me desperate begging for help, he has been off the cycle now for 3 months.

please i need help as soon as possible, what are the side effects of the hcg he took, and what he should do to recover from it and to get his testesterone levels back.

i appreciate everyones help and thanks a million

[dec11]

oh jez, id pm Marcus, Big or Swifto on this if i was u, if theyre arent floating around now. thts a shit load of mistakes

[Booz]

very bad cycle mate...
has he not recovered then at all?
you havnt actually told us the problem.............

[urbanbody]

Not much he can do now. He's done what he's done. I would do a pct and try to get my test back to normal. ie clomid and nolv

[michi]

no he didnt recover yet, his sex drive is down, should he do pct now??? if so what doses, what blood tests should be done ???!?! what about seminal test?

[judge_dread]

5000IU HCG eod is way too much, he may have desensitize his leydig cells real bad!
anyway time will help and he has to be patient (I know it sucks).An other option is to take Puregon or Follistim (rHMG), it is more expensive than HCG but does its job very well

[michi]

so you suggest taking rhmg to recover from the hcg?? should he wait untill he takes his pct for the body to get the hcg out??? is there anything else that would help him recover from the hcg , any tests should be done?

[lovbyts]

Can someone explain to me again why kids + Steroids = mistakes or not a good idea?

Sorry yes I know it's not help but hopefully to some other 20 something kid may think 2x

[PO OFFICER]

That's a shit load of mistakes. And you can quit acting like you have a brother we all know you're talking about yourself. If I were you, I'd seek professional medical help. Your doctor, by the way, knows way more than you. Go to him, explain what you have done with that hormonal body of yours, and ask him what you can do to get it back on track. If it's not to late to save your body, they should know what to do.

My friend, I'm afrid you've done so much to your body that it's confused, going crazy, and way off of normal. Start trying to relize the fact that you may be on hormone replacement therapy for a long time.

Best of luck,
PO

[judge_dread]

so you suggest taking rhmg to recover from the hcg?? should he wait untill he takes his pct for the body to get the hcg out??? is there anything else that would help him recover from the hcg , any tests should be done?

there's no exactly reason to "recover from HCG", he needs to restore his HPTA, his goal must be this and it's irrelevant if the supression was due to aas or hcg!
when he took the last shot HCG?

[michi]

his last shot was 5 days ago , should he start pct???

[chuckt12345]

im pretty sure he will recover naturally with time,, he may feel like shit for awhile though.
Best option is go to doctors for blood tests and see where hes at and what he should do.

[michi]

should he start nolva + clomid or he should wait???

thank you mates i do appreciate every ones opinion

[Kibble]

Get him on the computer and let him ask some questions, that way nothign will be lost in translation

[chuckt12345]

should he start nolva + clomid or he should wait???

thank you mates i do appreciate every ones opinion

i would go get blood work first

[michi]

what blood tests should be done? lh htpa?!?!

[Mooseman33]

have to get bloodwork to see whats going on with insides then he can treat the problem.

[chuckt12345]

what blood tests should be done? lh htpa?!?!

basic lipid profile,, test and estrogen levels

[tboney]

im pretty sure he will recover naturally with time,, he may feel like shit for awhile though.
Best option is go to doctors for blood tests and see where hes at and what he should do.

I agree.

[michi]

today we will do the blood test, whats funny he says he feels abit better after taking the hcg .

[darkcrayz]

today we will do the blood test, whats funny he says he feels abit better after taking the hcg .

of course he will, hcg will kick start lh production in the pituitary. he needs to run clomid/nolva for at least 30 days to keep the process going.

[michi]

so should he wait to make the test because if the test is done now maybe the results wont be accurate, or he should start pct 1st, am confused

[MisterMaster]

I'm not even going to finish reading this thread.

Your brother got himself into a mess. His best bet now is to go to a DOCTOR! Don't come to this forum to try to get medical advice. NOONE here is qualified to do that.

Don't worry, the doctor won't turn him. Medical priviledge is such that he can't go to authorities.

[Kibble]

I'm not even going to finish reading this thread.

Your brother got himself into a mess. His best bet now is to go to a DOCTOR! Don't come to this forum to try to get medical advice. NOONE here is qualified to do that.

Don't worry, the doctor won't turn him. Medical priviledge is such that he can't go to authorities.

Are you sure Brah? Maybe you should read the thread and give your expert advice... Brah

[MisterMaster]

Are you sure Brah? Maybe you should read the thread and give your expert advice... Brah

I see that others have given him the same advice. Cool.

I only read the first post and knew right away that he should be seeking medical advice and not forum advice.

Not bashing the forum and all, there's a LOT of knowledge here, but there are limitations.

He needs a complete physical exam including a testicular volume exam, blood tests, and possible some x-rays to see if he's screwed up any of his growth plates.

And then he needs to write a book about why it's stupid for an 18-year-old to inject himself with steroids.

[Kibble]

Yeah he was dumb. But at least if he gets advice on these forums he can use it when he visits the doctor. Chances are, the doctor is ill-informed of AAS.

I still think that he should get his "Brother" on the forum and let him ask his own questions to limit the confusion

[michi]

I'm not even going to finish reading this thread.

Your brother got himself into a mess. His best bet now is to go to a DOCTOR! Don't come to this forum to try to get medical advice. NOONE here is qualified to do that.

Don't worry, the doctor won't turn him. Medical priviledge is such that he can't go to authorities.

man you are a newbie , whats your problem coming here and saying that people here are not qualified!!!!!!!!!!!!! some guys here are really experianced and they know what they are doing , you cant come to this forum and start saying people are not qualified here thats not polite and if there is some one that is not qualified to be giving his opinion here is you,

[MisterMaster]

man you are a newbie , whats your problem coming here and saying that people here are not qualified!!!!!!!!!!!!! some guys here are really experianced and they know what they are doing , you cant come to this forum and start saying people are not qualified here thats not polite and if there is some one that is not qualified to be giving his opinion here is you,

Hmmm ... I don't believe I said anything wrong.


The number of posts one has is no reflection on their competence to provide advice. Don't try to judge my qualifications ... I know I'd surprise you!

[michi]

i dont care what your qualifications are but dont come on this forum and start judging peoples qualification because you will be surprised how much help and info you can get here

[MisterMaster]

i dont care what your qualifications are but dont come on this forum and start judging peoples qualification because you will be surprised how much help and info you can get here

What is your problem? What did I say that was wrong?

This is an educational forum. Even if some members are physicians, there is very little they can do without doing a full exam and getting blood tests.

Unlike you, I haven't disrespected anyone here. Grow up.

[Kibble]

There are people from all walks of life on this forum. I am absolutely positive that there are some people that post here... who are in the medical field

[MisterMaster]

There are people from all walks of life on this forum. I am absolutely positive that there are some people that post here... who are in the medical field

Absolutely. I know that for a fact ...

I'm certain "they" would be the first to point a member towards necessary procedures and drug tests. :wink:

[Kibble]

lol yeah. The whole point of these forums (IMO) is to provide a community for people to share information regarding AAS. It is not like any of us can go hold a conversation about AAS with "Jeff" at Discount Auto Parts. I come here because there are thousands of informed users. Whoever says that they can't get the advice they need... they should leave this place imo

[michi]

we went to do the blood work , the medical lab said they need 3 days to be out. today he will be starting pct, clomide 100/50/50/50 , nolvadex 40/20/20/20, aramidix is not available in our country , is there anything else that he should get?

[PT]

not doing a pct sure wont kill him. its definatly a good idea to do one but back in the day we used to never run a pct after a cycle because nobody really knew any better yet were all still here and fine

[michi]

blood test 9/12/2009

LH 0.32
male adult 2.0- 12.0

Free testosterone 39.9pmol/L 11.5 pg/ml
normal range 20-39yo 31-94 8.8-27
40-59 25-80 7.2-23

total testosterone 3.12 nmol 0.90ng/ml
male 6.77-39.4 1.95-11.38

results in december, 3 months after last injection no pct

we tried pheednos pct (clomide+nolvadex) 120 days

results

21/3/2010

LH 2.78
male adult 2.0-12.0

Free testosterone 27.7pmol/L 8pg/ml (as you can see free testosterone went down and he has been clean since then.)
normal range 20-39yo 31-94 8.8-27
40-59 25-80 7.2-23

total testosterone 12.39nmol/L 3.57ng/ml
male 6.77-39.4 1.95-11.38


will he ever be normal again????
is there any way to boost his testosterone?

thanks all

[michi]

should he take pct again? would that help?

[DaBullet]

Man like everyone said he might of done the damage already and might need to be on some hormone therapy for a while till his body fully recovers thats if it does. I would tell the doctor what options he has right now and what he suggest you do since you already tried some of the things people have recomended. Good luck to you and your brother.

[DaBullet]

Im thinking that all the pct will do is probably bring him back to normal and after he is done with pct he will drop back down to where he is at. Talk to your doctor about options bro.

[michi]

the doctor said to wait, not to take anything, because he is young 22years old, he can recover, but its going to take a long time.

any one have any idea why the free testosterone dropped after the pct?