Starting long term HRT... kind of nervous...

[Billytk03z]

Im in my early 30's and after dealing with several years of suffering from low test, low energy, low libido, depression, adrenal/reverse t3 problems, etc... I am finally going on indefinate HRT.... In the past I have cycled and felt pretty good while "on" only to be feeling horrible once off "Yes, I did do proper PCT".... Well, I finally got my wife pregnant about 3 months ago and we decided this will be our only child so my wife gave me the go ahead to pursue HRT cuz she knows how bad I have been feeling.

So I met with my Anti-aging doc and he pretty much let me decide what I wanted to do (within legitimate reason ofcoarse). The only Testosterone I ever used in the past and had experience with was Prop. I liked the clean gains, less water, and immediate kick in (I also had no probs pinning ed or eod) but that was 12 weeks at a time, I couldnt possibly pin ed or eod indefinately .... Anyway, with my Docs permission, I decided that I will use Test Cypionate @ 200mg per week as my main Test (he gave me lean way to bump up to 300mg week if I felt I needed it)..... but I will also start the first 2 weeks of my HRT by frontloading the cyp along with ed shots of Prop. (Im only doing this for the first 2 weeks)....

I was also prescribed Adex @ .5 ed for the first 2 weeks during the frontloading with cyp and prop and to have the adex build to stable levels in my blood..... then I am to take Adex @ .25 (or .5 if needed) for the remainder of therapy in which I will have blood test in approx. 2 months to see where my levels are at....

The only thing I am wondering is if I should be using low dosages of HCG during this therapy????? Just incase (who knows) for whatever reason that I decide to come off of HRT....

One more thing... I was given the choice between Enanthate and Cypionate.. I chose Cyp and I know that Ent and Cyp are basically the same but Is there any benefit of Cyp to Ent or vice versa...? which holds less water?

thanks

[awesome1]

There is no difference in water retention between those two. Adex should have more effect on water retention. Enth has a sliiiightly shorter half life...like two days, so no real difference. Cyp has a slightly higher melting temp than enth which can sometimes become apparrent with injection pain. They both work the same though.

[Black]

Cyp or Enan shouldn't matter. I use Cyp.

What HCG dose did he give you?

[Billytk03z]

Cyp or Enan shouldn't matter. I use Cyp.

What HCG dose did he give you?

He didnt give me HCG at this time... he might of forgot to put the HCG on my order list.... He was very accommodating of my additional requests of Test Prop for kick start and cytomel T3 (Im trying to reducce my high RT3 which we both agree may be giving me temporary Hypothyroid symptoms)... Im sure it would be no problem if I called him up and asked for HCG, he is pretty receptive with requests as long as its within reason and not ridiculously unneeded....

But would HCG be needed... should it be used? I was thinking if I did use HCG during long term HRT I would dose the HCG low... something like 250iu e3d or 150iu eod.....

[Black]

He didnt give me HCG at this time... he might of forgot to put the HCG on my order list.... He was very accommodating of my additional requests of Test Prop for kick start and cytomel T3 (Im trying to reducce my high RT3 which we both agree may be giving me temporary Hypothyroid symptoms)... Im sure it would be no problem if I called him up and asked for HCG, he is pretty receptive with requests as long as its within reason and not ridiculously unneeded....

But would HCG be needed... should it be used? I was thinking if I did use HCG during long term HRT I would dose the HCG low... something like 250iu e3d or 150iu eod.....

It's recommended by my doc, for the purpose of keeping my testes "active", so to speak. HCG is needed if you see having kids in your future.

And I agree, 250iu to 500iu 2x a week is similar to many HCG protocols I've seen. Personally, I'm on 250iu 2x a week.

[Vettester]

I would also stick with 250iu x 2 per week on the HCG. You should be feeling back on track real soon.

[PPC]

HCG is definitely needed. Without it you will lose your ability to manufacture pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for memory and overall brain health. Long term hrt needs hcg at 250 iu eod even if you don't need to make babies anymore.

[durak]

HCG is definitely needed. Without it you will lose your ability to manufacture pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for memory and overall brain health. Long term hrt needs hcg at 250 iu eod even if you don't need to make babies anymore.

Did not know that. Thanks! I will look into it further.

[durak]

HCG is definitely needed. Without it you will lose your ability to manufacture pregnenolone. Pregnenolone is important for memory and overall brain health. Long term hrt needs hcg at 250 iu eod even if you don't need to make babies anymore.

You use eod. Is 2 x a week acceptable or it really needs to be eod?

[PPC]

You use eod. Is 2 x a week acceptable or it really needs to be eod?

Lots of people use 2x a week and they do fine. Eod works with the cyp schedule to create steady levels. Doing both on the same days using 29.5 insulin syringes for both. The eod protocol is just going by the endo journal study where 250 iu at eod created very similar results to natural.

[Billytk03z]

Lots of people use 2x a week and they do fine. Eod works with the cyp schedule to create steady levels. Doing both on the same days using 29.5 insulin syringes for both. The eod protocol is just going by the endo journal study where 250 iu at eod created very similar results to natural.

Is desensitization in regards to LH possible using HCG eod for an indefinate length of time?

[whiteowl]

i started on enth and after a year of weight gain, mostly water retention (seems mostly in the face), my endo switched me to cyp and the sides disappeared within a few months. Mine has never mentioned adex or the equivalent so it sounds like your doc is a little more agressive...and just in the nick of time. Congrats on the kid, you will need all the energy you can get.

[Billytk03z]

i started on enth and after a year of weight gain, mostly water retention (seems mostly in the face), my endo switched me to cyp and the sides disappeared within a few months. Mine has never mentioned adex or the equivalent so it sounds like your doc is a little more agressive...and just in the nick of time. Congrats on the kid, you will need all the energy you can get.

Thank you, Im just lookng forward to being an active Dad and feeling normal again....