Trenbolone ace, and sustanon 250

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

STATS:
Age: 19
Weight: 230-240 lbs
Height: 6 Foot

For my cycle I was thinking about Shooting 400mgs of Trenbolone Acetate and 1gram of sustanon 250 a week. Shooting EOD m,w,f. For a 10 week cycle of both.

Sound Good? If not I would like to here your guys oppinion?

[got fina?]

19 years old, 20% bf.....

How many cycles you have under your belt? what where they?

I would recommend spending some time in the diet forum first, as i think you would benefit from a nice diet before atempting any more cycles.

[lee.jones73]

way to young to start any cycle yet bro, body not stopped growing yet just take supplements and diet till at least 23.

i done a cycle similler to that but mine was 750mg sust a week for 7weeks then tryed cutting and harding using tren ace 1ml every other day and prems 300mg a week also used 250mg sust to keep bit of size and that worked good for me but thats me im 25 now and only now im starting to learn about cycles through these guys

but been learning alot on here through alot of experance bodybuilders and you use tren ace with test but diet very important but i would train natural for few years yet even if you take cell tech just use supplements for now and then do a cycle diet is a huge part of bodybuilding

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

I dont really know my bf%?
This is first real cycle. Other then poppin a few dbols and a-50s for a couple weeks.
Nothing I would call a cycle.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Last time I checked my Bf% was about 2 years ago but I was 275lbs. But since then I been lifting and doing cardio 5 days a week. And packed on lots of muscle and shedded lots of fat. I have no idea what bf% im at.

Now im about 235lbs lots more muscle and lots less fat.
also bench is at 300lbs natural for now.
squats about 415 natural for now.
and I leg press 900lbs for 3-5 reps.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Lol and I already got my cycle so theres really nothng that will change my mind..
not being stuborn, okay yeah i am but i went threw alotta trouble to get my hands on this cycle and im not gonna return it. lol i dont think my guy accepts returns.

I do appreciate the concern tho, its like a family on here!!!!

So basically Im looking for input on if I should start them at the same time or lower the dosage per week or higher the dosage per week. Or extend the length of cycle, or shorten.

And should I shoot ED, or EOD?

Any advive on what will give me better results of what I Got.

[Papa Smurf]

Well son, since I KNOW your gonna do this cycle no matter what we say, the only thing I can suggest to you is DONT RUN THE TREN! Not if this is your first REAL cycle.
Just run about 500mg of sustanon for about 12 weeks and see how that goes first. Your gear will save. Store it in cool dark place. Shoot 3 times a week or every other day if you can handle that.

Tren is a really BIG BEAR son. You need to know which compounds you react best to. If you run multi compounds the first time out you what no what effects your gettin from which compound. Some people can tolerate high doses of test.
Takke alittle time with this please! Your gear will be there.

Got your PCT in place right?

[sigman roid]

tren may fvck you up if this is your first cycle i wouldnt risk it

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Thanks ps.
Definately something to think about.
And if i decided to run the tren and sust what would be the best pct?

Also most people run test prop and tren a and say it does amazing things for hardening and cutting. With the sustanon even tho only having 30mgs of prop per ml will this be more of a mass cycle or cutting.

O and I have ran susta at 500 mgs a week befor with really no gains in strenght or muscle. But I Ran out after 6 weeks because somehow a Sh*tload of my amps were damaged and I broke them in my hand ending my cycle way sooner then I wanted to.

The only thing I gained from the 6 week susta cycle was a pair of puffy nips. lol

[ottomaddox]

I can't see any good happening from this cycle. It's a trainwreck. Do some research, at 19 you're making a HUGE mistake. Do you want to be on Hormone replacement therapy for the rest of your life because you didn't let your endocrine system fully develop?

Thanks ps.
Definately something to think about.
And if i decided to run the tren and sust what would be the best pct?

Also most people run test prop and tren a and say it does amazing things for hardening and cutting. With the sustanon even tho only having 30mgs of prop per ml will this be more of a mass cycle or cutting.

O and I have ran susta at 500 mgs a week befor with really no gains in strenght or muscle. But I Ran out after 6 weeks because somehow a Sh*tload of my amps were damaged and I broke them in my hand ending my cycle way sooner then I wanted to.

The only thing I gained from the 6 week susta cycle was a pair of puffy nips. lol

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

O so tempting tho.
What about hcg after cycle?
Would that help everything stay kosher?

[Papa Smurf]

I dont really know my bf%?
This is first real cycle. Other then poppin a few dbols and a-50s for a couple weeks.
Nothing I would call a cycle.

Ok............ Now Im confused. When did you run the 6 weeks of sustanon?
You say you got puffy nipples so we already know your gyno prone.

Any chance of talking you out of this?

What was your PCT after the six weeks of sustanon, details please. Compounds, mgs takin and how many days

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

I did that last summer.
I dont really consider it a cycle tho cause it was 6 weeks at 500 mgs.
Plus it was susta so how much test is that a week really if you think about it having the short and long esters. And i only shoot it once a week.
And i did not run any pct.
The gyno is minamal. I actually think i had it befor i took anything just more sensitive now. and irritate me more. they look the same tho

[Papa Smurf]

But you do know you completely shutdown your natty test production and you did nothing to restart it.

I would strongly suggest you go and hve your blood work checked out and you have to ask for total and free test to be checked. Its not included in standard lipped panel.

We need to find out were your natural system is currently. I need to stress to you that your on a road that you dont want to go down. Havin to be on TRT the rest of your life is not something you want to go through.

Lets see were you are first, set some goals, design a cycle, diet and routine to meet these goals. OK?

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

But even if i did, after a year of shutting down my test production wouldnt I have some kinda change in something. Or a sign of any kind?

I mean I know a ton of guys doing way harder cycles and some even younger then me. And even some of the more experianced guys have never even used any pcts. and never thought about using them.

But you my friend have made me very curious of this situation and when i get all that checked ill get back to everyone.

[Papa Smurf]

Not running a PCT might not show up until later in your life, say 25 or 30 years of age. Why take a chance. And know you want FEEL anything now, but say in 5 years or so, your cock want stay hard, your tired, cant focus, workouts suck, your fat as a pig, and cant understand why.

Please take a min. and look at my album. The pic last year was me before I learned I had low test. Oh Id been working out of and on for the last 20 years. But after my shoulder surgerys, I never could get back. Would work out six months, get tired, loose focus and quit. Started back last May 1st on my birthday after my doc said I was a heart attack waiting ta happen.

Got back at it(again) but this time a buddy that I worked ouy with in my young (steriod) days, told me what he had learned about TRT. I got my blood work done and sure enough, my total test was 243. 250 is bottom of scale by the way. No way of knowing how long I,d been that way.
Doc started me on TRT, and in a month, it changed my life. Well lets say I got my life back again (pic 6/02/09) Still long way from were I want to be, but now Im on right road. Funny thing is, if I,d had the info back then, that you have now, its a road that I would have never had ta have gone down.

Now I have ta stick a piece of steel in my ass every week for the rest of my life just ta be normal!

Gotta leave for church now. Be back in 2 hours Good luck!

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Hey, Papa Smurf you have tought me alot about pct. And I will honestly think this over alot more then I planned on doing. And also can you or anybody else tell me how to view your albums and pics? And add friends?

[Big]

you are making a huge mistake, I won't be a part of it, but good luck.

[JinNtonic]

Well son, since I KNOW your gonna do this cycle no matter what we say, the only thing I can suggest to you is DONT RUN THE TREN! Not if this is your first REAL cycle.
Just run about 500mg of sustanon for about 12 weeks and see how that goes first. Your gear will save. Store it in cool dark place. Shoot 3 times a week or every other day if you can handle that.

Tren is a really BIG BEAR son. You need to know which compounds you react best to. If you run multi compounds the first time out you what no what effects your gettin from which compound. Some people can tolerate high doses of test.
Takke alittle time with this please! Your gear will be there.

Got your PCT in place right?

^^^ He is right one compound at a time to start. If your going to put drugs into your body be smart about it. You can save the TREN for your second cycle.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Im thinking thats what im gonn do!
Thanks for the input jinntonic.

[Immortal Soldier]

Is this guy a troll?

Tren and Sust for the first cycle? Did he even bother reading stickies for beginner cycles? 1 gram of Sust a week for first cycle? 20% Bf? Wow...19 years old?

Another teen trying to cut corners to get ahead, hope you dont get burned buddy. I did that and I paid for it...

[Phate]

STATS:
Age: 19
Weight: 230-240 lbs
Height: 6 Foot

For my cycle I was thinking about Shooting 400mgs of Trenbolone Acetate and 1gram of sustanon 250 a week. Shooting EOD m,w,f. For a 10 week cycle of both.

Sound Good? If not I would like to here your guys oppinion?

where to start?

first off, here is what's wrong with your cycle
1) First cycle should be test only and NEVER INCLUDE TREN
2) Dosage should be around 500mg/wk, not 1000, you will get alot of sides at this dose that you don't know how to handle
3) I don't see a pct, which leads me to believe you don't have one, so the majority of those gains are going to be lost
4) Most people guess their bf% lower than it really is, so i'm guessing you are at least 20% if not higher, high bf% leads to more sides(i'll explain why if you like, just ask)
5) Higher bf% also means your diet is not in check and without a proper diet your cycle will be wasted


i could add 5-6 more problems without even getting into your age but you won't care either way


post your diet for critique(everything you eat for a day, amounts of each food and the macros for each meal and total for the day)


and read this so you at least have a basic understanding of what a first cycle should be

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[peachfuzz]

Oh brother

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Aight dude dont make me cry!
You called me a fu**** troll? What the f*** is that about? Lol
anyways you guys are making me paranoid so ill still prolly end up doing this pshyco cycle and end up just like you guys in about 5 years preching to teenagers about endocrine systems and trts and all this stuff like yalls.
And actually its prolly 20% at the most im prolly realistically mid teens Bf.
But forget about all that bf% i dont care im not tryna enter competitions and let me worry about my calorie/protien/fats/carbs and stuff like that. I got this.
And i could be dead 1 year from now!
so save me all this bull and let me in on some positive feedback on what kinda gains in muscle I should expect.

[Phate]

Aight dude dont make me cry!
You called me a fu**** troll? What the f*** is that about? Lol
anyways you guys are making me paranoid so ill still prolly end up doing this pshyco cycle and end up just like you guys in about 5 years preching to teenagers about endocrine systems and trts and all this stuff like yalls.
I THINK YOU GUYS ARE MAKING THIS OUT TO BE BIGGER THEN IT IS. I HOPE!!!!!!!!!

whats with the attitude bro, we're telling you like it is, you think we're all full of shvt, how bout this, i'm 20 and STILL HAVEN'T CYCLED YET, because i'm not ready and i know it, i've been training and dieting PROPERLY for several years and still haven't reached my genetic potential, so i know you haven't

btw, if you want to have a little debate about whether we're lying about the endocrine system and growth plates fusing, have at it bro, i'll be more than happy to school you

[peachfuzz]

what on earth makes you think you need 1000mg of test? especially for a first cycle.

are you that far ahead of most of us here?

let me guess. because more is better right?

and tren? most likely the strongest anabolic steroid we use.

yup. probably just making it out to be bigger then it is.

tell me one other aspect of life where you have no experience and go straight to the highest level?

[peachfuzz]

whats with the attitude bro, we're telling you like it is, you think we're all full of shvt, how bout this, i'm 20 and STILL HAVEN'T CYCLED YET, because i'm not ready and i know it, i've been training and dieting PROPERLY for several years and still haven't reached my genetic potential, so i know you haven't

btw, if you want to have a little debate about whether we're lying about the endocrine system and growth plates fusing, have at it bro, i'll be more than happy to school you

[Big]

You called me a fu**** troll? What the f*** is that about? Lol

internet trolls will make posts that are so stupid or rediculous that it incites flaming, arguments, etc. I don't think you are a troll, but for your own sake I wish you were.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

lol I have no attitude I was actually 100% serious about the preching part.
and the gram of susta was recomended to me from the guy im getting it from. My bad on the tren decision ive just heard all the good things about it and got carried away i suppose.
I believe everything you guys are telling me. Truly

[peachfuzz]

so you took advice from the guy profiting off of you.

come on man.

[RANA]

There are way too many things wrong with this thread to comment on.

[Phate]

lol I have no attitude I was actually 100% serious about the preching part.
and the gram of susta was recomended to me from the guy im getting it from. My bad on the tren decision ive just heard all the good things about it and got carried away i suppose.
I believe everything you guys are telling me. Truly

Rule number 1 bro, never take dealer advice, no wonder he wants you to do that cycle, it's expensive

He's probably going to give you sust amps at a way jacked up price, and you're gonna have to use a ton of them for this cycle

then he's giving you tren, which being the most powerful is normally one of the most expensive as well(except for the obvious exceptions)

so basically he's thinking this as he's selling you the stuff, "This cycle will fvck this kid up hardcore, but i'm making a killing"

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Damn was I stubborn!
Looking at this thread after all this time makes me feel sick as I was disrespectful to all of you guys trying to give good advice!

Truth is I ran this cycle last year and stopped at around week 7 due to lack of sleep and overall feeling of discomfort/shoulder pain. My starting weight was about 240lbs and my ending weight was 265lbs.

Strength was amazing as my bench went from around 300lbs to 375lbs , not sure about squats but it definitely went up.

And I did do a nolva/clomid PCT.

After cycle I got bloodwork done and they just said my liver enzymes were slightly high and I was holding way more protien in my kidneys then I should be. She said in other words it they were working harder then they should be!

My doc was aware of what I was taking after that and said to come back after a month and get blood tests done again. So I went back after about 2 1/2 months and they said everything was back to normal.

Not sure on the test levels because I did not get a copy of the results but I am going again soon to see what they are to make sure.

[(TLF) CHAMPION54]

Overall I was just sharing my experiences even tho gains were awsome I should have listened becuase it really wasnt worth it.
And I wanted to apologize for not taking your advice!

Hope yall forgive me