Igf1 lr3

[jason8455]

Hey guys,

I'm curently on a cycle of test and hgh and would like to add in a few bottles of IGF. My usual source of IGF is currently out of stock and has been for a while. I was looking aroudn at other peptide companies and the prices range so much it makes me wonder if the quality is any good.. I was paying $EDITED READ RULES NO PRICE DISCUSSIONS before but have found a few sites that looked normal with absolutely everything for sale but only around $EDITED READ RULES NO PRICE DISCUSSIONS for 1mg or 1000mcg. what do you guys think as I do not want to throw money out the window, HGH is killing me as it is!

Thank you!

[jason8455]

Also.. my sight has a "disclaimer" you have to either agree or disagree. I have seen some like this but the cheaper sites I have looked at do not but neither does ar's sight so maybe that doesnt mean anything?

[Gear]

As I said, please read the rules, there are not price discussions here.

As for your IGF, I assume you are referring to IGF-1 LR3, if that's the case I personally think it's not worth anything.

-Gear

[ScotchGuard]

There seems to be two train of though on the IGF-lr3. Some say it's crap and other say it gives good results. For me, I used it for about two months with HGH. I got gains but I'm not sure if it was from the HGH or the IGF so I can't draw a definite conclusion. If you're already on HGH just stay on it for a while without IGF and see if you like the results.

[tballz]

I like igf lr3....got some good results from it.

[jason8455]

Sorry Gear I was not thinking, was only thinking about not saying any source names. So you do not like IGF1 lr3? I thought that was the better one and it being taken with HGH raising IGF levels is amazing? I have taken igf1 lr3 twice before with Test only and didnt't notice a thing but this time I am on hgh and thought that maybe that would make all of the difference... could you give me some insight or more of you opinion?

Thank you

[Gear]

Jason,

I've tried it several times but every time I took it I was also using AAS so it was difficult to know if the LR3 was working or not. I got great gains but I would say that's because of the AAS. At the time I though IGF was helping. I started using it alone and did not find it very effective and since then I do not use it, simple as that. Perhaps it does work but I certainly had no luck with it so I decided to call it quits and spend my money on compounds which delivered better gains.

If I was to take HGH nowdays I would not include LR3 in my cycle for reasons stated above.

-Gear

[jason8455]

Jason,

I've tried it several times but every time I took it I was also using AAS so it was difficult to know if the LR3 was working or not. I got great gains but I would say that's because of the AAS. At the time I though IGF was helping. I started using it alone and did not find it very effective and since then I do not use it, simple as that. Perhaps it does work but I certainly had no luck with it so I decided to call it quits and spend my money on compounds which delivered better gains.

If I was to take HGH nowdays I would not include LR3 in my cycle for reasons stated above.

-Gear

Hey Gear if you don't mind I have a question..

I know your fealings on the IGFlr3 but i'm curious on IGF1 which is MGF? I did a cycle once of LR3 and MGF before but never noticed that it says (IGF1 E-c)

Is there anything you would stack with HGH other than insulin? It seemes to be a 50/50 weather people say IGF with HGH is amazing or a waist of money.

[Gear]

I wasn't referring to MGF, I was speaking about IGF-1 LR3. On the hand the original IGF-1 (not the LR3 version) actually works. This type of IGF is a little different to the LR3 version. IGF-1 these days is rare but still available. The LR3 version however is all over the place but as I said is not my choice of IGFs available on the market.

When it comes to "what compound to stack with what" it all depends on what you want to achieve. If you are after well being benefits then HGH alone is certainly a good idea. If you are a typical bodybuilder who is after muscle mass then it would be more beneficial using HGH with compounds such as AAS and insulin. So as I said, it all depends on what you want to achieve.

Hope that helped.

-Gear

[Gear]

Keep in mind that each compound has its place in training. Researching each compound and knowing what they do will give you an answer if that particular compound is necessary in your cycle.

-Gear

[jason8455]

Gear,

thank you for all of your information! It is nice to get quality information from people who know quite a bit. With all the options out there its hard to know what to go with sometimes. I will continue to do more research and try to find the IGF 1 as i only ever seem to come across LR3.

And my goal is new muscle gain. Over the last several years I have gained quite a bit and done several cycle but I definately have lagging body parts. I believe my genetic potential just sucks! That is why i am doing the growth.. New muscle fibers and was going to implement the IGF for the same principals.

Thank you again!

[Gear]

Yes IGF-1 is certainly rare, but it's not a "must" to include in your cycle so I wouldn't stress about not using it. I gotta train now, I'll be back later and perhaps later on I can help you out with your cycle a little more if you like, just let me know your goals, your current BF, training exeprience, age, experience with using AAS etc, any information is good. Once we have that we'll put together a little something that will rhyme like a poem.

Talk soon!

-Gear

[ScotchGuard]

Gear, good info.

[jason8455]

Gear that would be greatly appreciated!!

24 years old
6'
225 lbs
15% BF

I have taken probably 5 or 6 cycles in the past with about a year off since I started my most recent one which began a few months ago. I have tried everything except Deca and EQ and test from 500mg to 1000 a week. Honestly before I was too dependent on juice and did not train with enough intensity nor was my diet the way it should be. I took about a year off of sups and worked on my training and nutrition. Now I take 400mg of enanthate with a controlled diet and training program and believe i have made my best gains thus far but still have lagging bodyparts. My genetic bodyparts are my shoulders and back.. arms just dont fit!

Also I am on 4iu's of HGH 5 on 2 off which I started 7 weeks ago with the first 2 weeks ramping up.

I did Humalog 10iu's post workout for the first 3 weeks (4 times per week) took 3 weeks off and just started back again.

I was recently taking in 3,300 cals a day but decided i needed to work on a my belly a little as that is the only place i hold any fat so I dropped to 3,000 and do cardio about 5 or 6 times per week (30 min steady heart rate, maybe not intense enough..)

Was doing : 325p 300c 86f
Now : 325p 250c 86f

Honestly afraid of loosing any muscle is why i only dropped cals a slight bit... but jumped up the cardio... dont want to get shredded but tighten up a lite.

Also started t3 at 50mcg's a week ago and will do some clen later on..

Hope that is enough information, Might have fogotten something!

Thanks Gear!

[jason8455]

Bump

[Gear]

Don't worry I haven't forgotten about ya, just usually a bit busy over the weekend that's all, anyway here we go...

At your age, I never recommend HGH and this is for a number of reasons. First of all, I don't think HGH is necessary at 24 as you can achieve so much without it. 4IU you are currently using will deliver some fat loss benefits but that's about it.

When you say you want to "tighten" up a little, I assume this is more going towards fat/weight loss rather than gaining mass. Having said that, unless you have quite a bit of experience with insulin and know exactly how much nutrients your body needs, I would not use insulin while trying to "tighten up". It's certainly possible to achieve your goals when using insulin but the chances of fat storage increase by far when insulin is in the picture so I hope you know what you're doing. I personally never use insulin when trying to trim down a bit, but that's just me.

As for muscle loss, this is expected when trying to tighten up a bit. Getting leaner and keeping muscle is quite a task.

Since you have already started using HGH, I guess you could continue using it @4IU as this will help with fat loss. Drop the insulin and ensure your diet/training is in tact. Apart from that, you don't need anything else.

Hope that helped and good luck!

-Gear

[jason8455]

Gear thank you for the reply!

I know the Insulin can be a mistake when trying to lean up a little I guess the only reason I kept to it was because I thought it would make that more of a differnece with the HGH..

what do you prefer for size with hgh? I was always thinking that 2-3 iu's would be health and fatloss and 4 iu's would be for size and of course you could always take more.. If I am waisting my time I would definately want to bump it up...

thank you

[Gear]

Mate in most cases 2 - 4IU is good for fat loss, considering your age you will need quite a bit more for muscle mass, at least 5IU IMO but I would still start on a lower dose and ramp up slowly till you find a dose that's that's suitable.

Also, if you are after mass I would definitely throw AAS + insulin as this will give your mass gaining a boost. You may want to visit the AAS forum for muscle mass cycles.

Thanks!

-Gear