Trenbolone Virgin : Apprehensious

[KimboHalfSlice]

I start my next cycle in about one month's time (Time Off = Time On + PCT).

I've already got the most important things on my checklist:
- Charcoal, Sticks, Petrol and Lighter for my outdoor barbecue
- Chicken Eggs, Tuna, Baked Beans (reduced sugar and sodium), Beef Fillet Steak, Chicken Breast
- 50 pounds of Whey Proten (it's only $250 if you buy 50 pounds at once!)
- Clomiphene & Tamoxifen for PCT

Now I just need help in choosing what steroids I'm gonna take.

I've done two cycles already.

My first cycle was Sustanon on its own.

My second cycle was Sustanon + Deca + Dianabol.

I gained a decent amount of muscle on these cycles, but both cycles increased my body fat percentage.

Neither of these cycles had much of a psychological effect on me. I didn't notice a difference in my personality. My temper wasn't bad, I didn't get in any fights.

Since I did these two cycles, it's been very difficult for me to get my body fat percentage back to where it was before I started juice (I'm not a big fat blimp or anything, but I miss my 6-pack, now I've only got a 2-pack).

So as I said, I'm due to start my third cycle in about one month's time.

I've been reading about Trenbolone. It sounds absolutely fantastic... the gains in size, the hardness, the fat loss. Sounds like a gift from god.

I really really really want to try Trenbolone, but I'll be honest and say that I'm apprehensious about it right now for two reasons:

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1) The psychological effects
The main thing I'm worried about is being a total C-U-N-T to my girlfriend. She's the best thing I have in my life, I wouldn't give her up for any amount of muscle. Plus I don't want to be getting in fights at the grocery store because somebody got the last can of tuna ahead of me!

How bad are the psychological effects? I've heard some people say they have crazy dreams about killing people and stuff? How bad is it? And how easy is it to deal with?

Sorry to sound retarded in asking this question, but I need to be sure: Do the psychological effects go away once you stop taking Trenbolone? How long does it take to get back to normal?

2) The whole "Tren Cough" thing
How bad is this? Can it be really scary? I can deal with a little cough or two but I don't wanna get down on my knees and nearly cough a lung up out of my chest!
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Obviously, if I want to go ahead with this and actually try Trenbolone, the golden rule is that I start with a low dosage in case the side effects are too much for me to handle. If everything's OK, I can increase the dosage.

A while ago, I remember dece870717 posted his idea for a cycle, something like:

Testosterone Enanthate 250mg per week
Tren Ace 100-150mg every day
Dbol 25mg every day
Anadrol 50mg every day

I replied asking why the Testosterone dosage was so low, and he replied to say that the lower Testosterone dosage helped a lot with curbing the psychological effects of Trenbolone. Also, he said that when you're taking Trenbolone, you don't need much Testosterone at all because the Trenbolone will do its job.

Do many people here agree with what that guy says?

Is there much difference between Trenbolone Acetate and Trenbolone Enanthate? I prefer to inject once every 3 days instead of injecting every day, so would Trenbolone Enanthate be better?

What do you think of the proposed cycle above? How long would you run each compound for?

Would the cycle proposed above definitely result in more muscle gain than a cycle of Sustanon & Deca & Dianabol?

[bjohnson1968]

if I remember aren't you just a young man
what are your stats

[KimboHalfSlice]

Depends what you mean by a "young man". I'll be 30 next year.

Male
Height = 180 cm / 5'11"
Weight = 94 kg / 204 lb
No relevant medical conditions

Cycle experience is shown in my first post in this thread (2 cycles so far).

[FireGuy]

You are thinking the best bet is to start with a low dose of tren and are planning 700-1000mgs a week to start?

[gymnerd]

Do tren ace EOD start low dose to see what your tollerance is and adjust from there. IMO if you want size I would keep the test dose high it is one of the best overall mass builders out there. I have heard the arguement with the low dose test before I think thats an individual thing maybe phycological? IDK but I would worry more about keeping the tren dose low then the test personaly.

Keep in mind for some tren is a magical drug and transforms them and for others its just not tollerated by the body(I think some people start of too high) it is more powerfull than say deca but people always suggest 400mg of deca and the same dose for tren? I know people who made great gains off 200mg wk of tren enth that is a low dose but it shows you that big doses are not needed with that drug..

[thetruthc32]

so your gonna take tren at 4 times the amount of test ?

[KimboHalfSlice]

Regarding the Trenbolone dosage I mentioned above, I just copy-pasted that from another thread.

I've no idea at all what the Trenbolone dosage should be. I'd really like to hear advice from people about what dosage to take.

(By the way I'd like to go with Trenbolone Enanthate because I wouldn't have to inject as frequently -- I'm comfortable with injecting myself once every 3 days)

[gymnerd]

Regarding the Trenbolone dosage I mentioned above, I just copy-pasted that from another thread.

I've no idea at all what the Trenbolone dosage should be. I'd really like to hear advice from people about what dosage to take.

(By the way I'd like to go with Trenbolone Enanthate because I wouldn't have to inject as frequently -- I'm comfortable with injecting myself once every 3 days)

I would start out with 300mg -400mg max of tren enath then. With 750 test thats a good cycle right there.

[Bossman]

Regarding the Trenbolone dosage I mentioned above, I just copy-pasted that from another thread.

I've no idea at all what the Trenbolone dosage should be. I'd really like to hear advice from people about what dosage to take.

(By the way I'd like to go with Trenbolone Enanthate because I wouldn't have to inject as frequently -- I'm comfortable with injecting myself once every 3 days)

If you're apprehensive about tren, and I think you should be, you should start with tren ace and shoot EOD. A good starting dose would be 100mg EOD.

[KimboHalfSlice]

If you're apprehensive about tren, and I think you should be, you should start with tren ace and shoot EOD. A good starting dose would be 100mg EOD.

Why do you say go with Trenbolone Acetate? I'm guessing it's because it will leave my system quicker if I'm getting bad side effects?

Thanks for the dosage suggestion.

Right now I've only got two injection sides (left and right glute), which is one reason why I'd prefer to inject every 3 days instead of every 2 days.

[Bossman]

It would be a good idea to work on more injection sites. Even with just twice a week injects, those sites will get sore.

Yes, if you have sides, the ace will be out of your system in days, not weeks. I've been there and it's no fun if you're having nasty sides for weeks. I've tried tren 6 times and finally gave up on it.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Bump bump bump

Please suggest dosages and durations!

Would it be good to go with Sustanon & Trenbolone Acetate & Dianabol & Anadrol?

[Knockout_Power]

Would it be good to go with Sustanon & Trenbolone Acetate & Dianabol & Anadrol?

you dont need all that gear. This is your first run with Tren and its a very powerful compound. Just run the test with it to keep everyting functioning properly. Definately dont run the dbol with it if you are looking to lean up.

My first time around with Tren was a light cycle but I loved it. I ran Test E @ 250/wk and Tren A @ 350/wk. First time in my life I saw single digit body fat. BUT, I kept a very strict diet.

[dece870717]

Bump bump bump

Please suggest dosages and durations!

Would it be good to go with Sustanon & Trenbolone Acetate & Dianabol & Anadrol?

As this is your first run with tren I would suggest you stick to the Test/Tren only. That cycle I recommended from that thread would have been for more experienced users and that cycle was meant for getting the most gains in the shortest amount of time, also you would only run that kind of cycle for 5-6 weeks.

[KimboHalfSlice]

OK cool, I like Knockout_Power's suggestion, but I prefer to take Sustanon:

Sustanon -- 250mg per week
Trenbolone Acetate -- 350mg per week

How long would I run this for? Can I do both compounds together for 12 weeks straight?

Do you think I could get away with injecting once every 3 days (I'd mix both compounds in the 1 syringe)? As I said, I'm only able to inject my glutes at the moment.

I thought I would have been better off with Trenbolone Enanthate because I don't want to inject myself every 2 days... but cgb6810 made the good point that if I'm getting bad sides then the Acetate will leave my body more quickly.

...so I'm considering going with Acetate but only injecting it every 3rd day along with the Sustanon.

How about I throw in some Anavar too? About 80mg per day for 8 weeks? I want to get hard and ripped.

Thanks for everybody's help with this, I really wanna transform my body with this cycle.

[bjohnson1968]

If your going to inject e3d and use acetate ester you'll be sorry first of most is dosed 75-100mgs per ml you'll be injecting close to 3cc a pop but the biggest issue would be unstable blood levels eod injections are required for acetate

[Bossman]

OK cool, I like Knockout_Power's suggestion, but I prefer to take Sustanon:

Sustanon -- 250mg per week
Trenbolone Acetate -- 350mg per week

How long would I run this for? Can I do both compounds together for 12 weeks straight?

Do you think I could get away with injecting once every 3 days (I'd mix both compounds in the 1 syringe)? As I said, I'm only able to inject my glutes at the moment.

I thought I would have been better off with Trenbolone Enanthate because I don't want to inject myself every 2 days... but cgb6810 made the good point that if I'm getting bad sides then the Acetate will leave my body more quickly.

...so I'm considering going with Acetate but only injecting it every 3rd day along with the Sustanon.

How about I throw in some Anavar too? About 80mg per day for 8 weeks? I want to get hard and ripped.

Thanks for everybody's help with this, I really wanna transform my body with this cycle.

I know some will tell you that you don't need test higher then the tren, but test is best. Test only cycles are very productive. Run your test at 500mg per week and then the tren A at 350, 100mg EOD. You could run the cycle for 10-12 weeks. Start PCT 18 days after last sust injection.

I wouldn't throw in any other compound. You'll have your hands full with the tren. If you have no sides, you could always bump the tren up to 150mg EW. Tren is the strongest thing out there.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Run your test at 500mg per week and then the tren A at 350, 100mg EOD.
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you could always bump the tren up to 150mg EW

I think you made a typo in your last post, the figures don't make sense.

[Bossman]

^^^yes, that's a typo should be 150 EOD if all goes well.

[KimboHalfSlice]

OK, so far my cycle is looking like this:

DRUG                 WEEKS     DOSAGE        
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Sustanon             1-12      100mg E2D     =      350mg per week
Trenbolone Acetate   1-12      100mg E2D     =      350mg per week
Oxandrolone          1-8       80mg ED       =      560mg per week    (maybe!)

PCT (4 weeks)
Clomiphene 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen 40/20/20/20

Would it do me any harm at all to take the Oxandrolone (Anavar)?

I've also got a box of Methandrostenolone (Dianabol) pills left over from my last cycle, I've got about 300 of them left. I was thinking I could take them during this cycle but I don't know if they'd get in the way of me getting ripped and hard???

By the way I don't know if I'm Superman or what, but it seems my liver is quite strong. For my last cycle I took Dbol for 6 weeks, then I came off it for only 2 weeks, and then I went back on for another 3 weeks. I had my blood tested afterwards and my liver values were only slightly elevated, the doctor said they'd be right back to normal within about 3 months. If I ever do a Test & Deca & Dbol cycle again, then I'll take the Dbol for the entire duration of my cycle because I know my liver is up for the task (by the way I also stop drinking alcohol altogether when I'm on-cycle so that helped my liver a bit). I might set $100 aside to get my blood tested half way through the cycle just to be sure that my liver is doing alright.

Any other advice is appreciated

[gymnerd]

OK, so far my cycle is looking like this:

DRUG                 WEEKS     DOSAGE        
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Sustanon             1-12      100mg E2D     =      350mg per week
Trenbolone Acetate   1-12      100mg E2D     =      350mg per week
Oxandrolone          1-8       80mg ED       =      560mg per week    (maybe!)

PCT (4 weeks)
Clomiphene 100/50/50/50
Tamoxifen 40/20/20/20

Would it do me any harm at all to take the Oxandrolone (Anavar)?

I've also got a box of Methandrostenolone (Dianabol) pills left over from my last cycle, I've got about 300 of them left. I was thinking I could take them during this cycle but I don't know if they'd get in the way of me getting ripped and hard???

By the way I don't know if I'm Superman or what, but it seems my liver is quite strong. For my last cycle I took Dbol for 6 weeks, then I came off it for only 2 weeks, and then I went back on for another 3 weeks. I had my blood tested afterwards and my liver values were only slightly elevated, the doctor said they'd be right back to normal within about 3 months. If I ever do a Test & Deca & Dbol cycle again, then I'll take the Dbol for the entire duration of my cycle because I know my liver is up for the task (by the way I also stop drinking alcohol altogether when I'm on-cycle so that helped my liver a bit). I might set $100 aside to get my blood tested half way through the cycle just to be sure that my liver is doing alright.

Any other advice is appreciated

Most people run tren ace for 8 wks 12 will be way too long IMO.

[Wargasmz]

I have posted a identical thread in this section of the forum last evening. I'm planning my 3rd cycle as well. And what do ya know it happens to be Test Cyp/Prop and Tren! So the same inquiry your having I do as well. I plan on running my Test 133mg EOD for a total of 400mg p/week for 12 weeks and Tren Ace @ 50mg EOD for 8 weeks. The reason I'm keeping the Tren so low is because I have only 1 10ml and I feel that the dosage should suffice for my first test run w/ Tren. Also my body is sensitive to AAS. What PCT are you looking to get?

[Knockout_Power]

Drop the Var, not going to get much while you are doing Tren. I would run the Test for 10 weeks and the Tren for 8. ALways run your test 2 weeks beyond your 19nor's.

[Bossman]

Drop the Var, not going to get much while you are doing Tren. I would run the Test for 10 weeks and the Tren for 8. ALways run your test 2 weeks beyond your 19nor's.

Even short esthers? NPP/tren ace? Sust pct time is 18 days after last injection, tren ace is 3?

[Knockout_Power]

Even short esthers? NPP/tren ace? Sust pct time is 18 days after last injection, tren ace is 3?

I just recomment it as Ive seen a lot of people have ED between last shot of Test and Tren A and when they start PCT. Seems to be less when they keep running test out past it. I know the numbers say it "should" be ok to end at the same time, I just go by what real experiecne has showed to be safe.

[Hazard]

Even short esthers? NPP/tren ace? Sust pct time is 18 days after last injection, tren ace is 3?

I don't run short esthers anymore but I like the notion of running test longer than 19nors also. For short esthers i'd probably run the test a week past..... possibly even 2.

Just my .02

~Haz~

[Bossman]

I don't run short esthers anymore but I like the notion of running test longer than 19nors also. For short esthers i'd probably run the test a week past..... possibly even 2.

Just my .02

~Haz~

It's nice not having to be concerned with PCT.....

[Knockout_Power]

It's nice not having to be concerned with PCT.....

just cruising in between, all year round?

[Hazard]

It's nice not having to be concerned with PCT.....

LMFAO! I forgot..... lucky you lol

~Haz~

[Bossman]

just cruising in between, all year round?

Yeah, I actually have to refresh my memory when it comes to these PCT questions, it's been a couple of years.