Please help with my sticking point!

[Archangel.]

Currently doing Ronnie Rowlands slingshot method of training and cycling.

I feel I've hit a sticking point in my training, mostly with chest and back. I would like your advice on whether you feel it's training, diet or AAS, or a combination.

My current split is

Mon: bi's/tri's/forearms
wed: back/traps
fri: chest/shoulders
sat: quads/hams/calves

I do 12 work sets for each bodypart, except forearms, traps, hams, calves and shoulders, which I do about 6 work sets for.

Since I'm mostly concerned with chest/back, 'll break that down.

back:
rack pulls 4 sets X 1, 4-6, 8-10, 8-10
low pulley row: 4 sets X 4-6, 6-8, 8-10, 10-12
Wide grip pulldown: 4 sets X 4-6, 6-8, 8-10, 10-12
I then finish out with 4 sets of smith machine shrugs 4-6, 6-8, 8-10, 10-12

Chest:
flat barbell bench: 4 sets X 1, 6-8, 6-8, 8-12
Smith inclines: 3 sets X 4-6, 6-8, 8-10
flat flyes: 3 sets X 6-10, 6-10, 6-10
I then finish out with 3 sets of side laterals X 8-10 reps, and rear laterals 3 sets of 8-10 reps. I might also do dumbell presses for 3 sets.

Diet:
250-275p everyday
100c on mon/tues/thurs/sun, then 200c on wed and fri (trying to get a boost for chest and back days)
40-50f everyday

200-220p always caomes from whole food sources like lean meat, fish and egg whites and cottage cheese, and the rest from whey powder.

All carbs come from mostly Oats, whole wheat pasta, a bananna or an apple( post workout) and 10 grams or so from salsa which I use to flavour my meat/pasta.

Half my fat comes from saturated sources i.e. a little in the lean ground beef and egg yolk, and the other half from unsaturated sources like natty PB.

Total cals are about 1850-1950 on the lower carb days, then 2250-2350 on the higher carb days.

I'm on week 16 of my 20 week blast currently running 750mg/test e/week as you suggested. No AI's to suppress estrogen.

I've noticed my weight has stayed virtually the same fo the past 4-6weeks, but I was trying to shed some BF, hence the lower carb days. I'm now 95% happy with my BF% so should I increase and how much, in what macro's??

Also, another thing I've noticed, I HATE stopping working out. I have a serious problem leaving the gym and not going over my alloteted sets. I usually control this, but sometimes I'll do more than I listed above.

So, what do you think? Is 20 weeks to long for me to go on AAS? Like, has my body got too saturated or something? Ron's method is 8 weeks at a higher dosage, then 2 weeks at a lower dosage, then repeat, THEN PCT. Or is it my diet? Or training

Oh, I get between 8-9 hours sleep, and don't do much cardio at all

Thanks

[Blue Monkey]

How much do you weigh right now? Are you looking at bulking or cutting? You look like a fairly muscular guy in that avatar. Those caloric numbers seem a little low if you're looking to bulk/gain strength.

Also, this is just MY personal experience, but I've felt anything beyond 10-12 weeks (for the average AAS user) is a waste, and just that much longer your HTPA is suppressed. Everyone's gonna have different opinions here, but I'm just telling you from my personal experience from the 9 or so cycles I've ran in the past.

[Dr Pepper]

What are your full stats so we can help u better?

How long are your workouts last?

Which comes first in ur chest/shoulders day?

[Archangel.]

How much do you weigh right now? Are you looking at bulking or cutting? You look like a fairly muscular guy in that avatar. Those caloric numbers seem a little low if you're looking to bulk/gain strength.

Also, this is just MY personal experience, but I've felt anything beyond 10-12 weeks (for the average AAS user) is a waste, and just that much longer your HTPA is suppressed. Everyone's gonna have different opinions here, but I'm just telling you from my personal experience from the 9 or so cycles I've ran in the past.

I'm trying to bulk/gain strength as LEANLY as possible right now. I'm 5'7 @ 185lbs. I know the calories seem a little low, but anytime I've tried to bulk in the past with too many cals, I accumulate fat. I THINK I'm a meso/endo body type. Thanks for your opinion on the cycle length.
Anything else?

[Archangel.]

What are your full stats so we can help u better?

How long are your workouts last?

Which comes first in ur chest/shoulders day?

Stats:
5'7
185lbs
10-11% bf
lifting for 12 years (no exeggeration)
25 years old

I always hit chest first, as that's the larger muscle group, then I finish shoulders with side and rear laterals, along with (maybe) dumbell presses, depending on how burnt I am from all the chest pressing.

[Blue Monkey]

I'm trying to bulk/gain strength as LEANLY as possible right now. I'm 5'7 @ 185lbs. I know the calories seem a little low, but anytime I've tried to bulk in the past with too many cals, I accumulate fat. I THINK I'm a meso/endo body type. Thanks for your opinion on the cycle length.
Anything else?

Something that's helped me eat big AND stay lean - separate your carbs and fats. Carbs are sugars and sugars spike your insulin levels - not something you want to do while consuming large amounts of fat. My meals typically follow this rule: If the meal is high in protein and carbs, then I want to minimize the amount of fat, somewhere around 10g or less. If the meal is high in protein and fat, then I want to minimize the amount of carbs, somewhere around 10g or less. There's no science behind "10g", but it's almost impossible to have a meal be completely without carbs or completely without fat (and still actually have it taste decent).

[Archangel.]

Something that's helped me eat big AND stay lean - separate your carbs and fats. Carbs are sugars and sugars spike your insulin levels - not something you want to do while consuming large amounts of fat. My meals typically follow this rule: If the meal is high in protein and carbs, then I want to minimize the amount of fat, somewhere around 10g or less. If the meal is high in protein and fat, then I want to minimize the amount of carbs, somewhere around 10g or less. There's no science behind "10g", but it's almost impossible to have a meal be completely without carbs or completely without fat (and still actually have it taste decent).

Thanks man, but that's EXACTLY what I do already lol. Appreciate the input though. I try to do the 10g or less thing too. But ya, I got that covered

[Blue Monkey]

Thanks man, but that's EXACTLY what I do already lol. Appreciate the input though. I try to do the 10g or less thing too. But ya, I got that covered

Maybe I overlooked it, but what do you do in the way of cardio?

[TheRepartitioner]

have you thought about adding more gear for mass?? deca, dbol, tren, anadrol, etc...?

[Archangel.]

[QUOTE=Blue Monkey;5253762]Maybe I overlooked it, but what do you do in the way of cardio?[/QUO

I do VERY little cardio, next to none actually. I aim for 15-20 mins 3/week, but in reality I do about 15 mins 1-2 times a week. I know, I'm lowsy for keeping up with my cardio, but this is why I don't think I'm expending too many cals via cardio

[Archangel.]

have you thought about adding more gear for mass?? deca, dbol, tren, anadrol, etc...?

I see what your saying, but I've only got 4 weeks left of my 20 week slingshot cycle left, so it's kinda pointless to add anything at this point. Besides, if I can't gain on 750mg/week of test, then something's wrong with either my training, diet rest etc. This is my very first cycle too so I should be extra responsive, which I was for the first 12-14 weeks. My next cycle I will definitely stack something with the test though.
Thanks man

[Dr Pepper]

have you thought about adding more gear for mass?? deca, dbol, tren, anadrol, etc...?

Bad advice, don't post if u don't know what ur talking about!

[Dr Pepper]

Archangel I had a similar exp during my cycle were I didn't put on for a couple of weeks but I played around and changed up my diet/training and I got past it... So maybe just play around with ur diet training and see how you go...

You said your on your first cycle and your doing 20 weeks, is that right?

Why were u advised on 20 weeks?

[G4R]

PM Ronnie, he is always willing to help out when it involves his training system.

[Archangel.]

Archangel I had a similar exp during my cycle were I didn't put on for a couple of weeks but I played around and changed up my diet/training and I got past it... So maybe just play around with ur diet training and see how you go...

You said your on your first cycle and your doing 20 weeks, is that right?

Why were u advised on 20 weeks?

What G4R said. I opted for Ronniw's 20 week slingshot method. Check out his thread so you get his theory. Don't worry lol, I didn't just take some newbs advice to run for 20 weeks

Ya, I think since I'm pretty well satisfied with my bf% now, maybe I'll increase complex carbs 50-100g/day, and maybe increase healthy fats a little too. I honestly think some of the protein requirements suggested are absolutely obsurd, so I'm not going over 300g/day if I even increase to that.
Tanks bud

[TheRepartitioner]

Bad advice, don't post if u don't know what ur talking about!

I know what I'm talking about, it was a perfectly reasonable question. Gear helps you break plateaus. Is there something about that you deem "bad advice"?

[G4R]

I know what I'm talking about, it was a perfectly reasonable question. Gear helps you break plateaus. Is there something about that you deem "bad advice"?

As long as it was not being suggested that he add compounds to his current cycle. I dont know how many cycles he has ran before, but I would find out before suggesting Tren to someone.

[Noles12]

I know what I'm talking about, it was a perfectly reasonable question. Gear helps you break plateaus. Is there something about that you deem "bad advice"?

Yes you give dangerous advice. More gear is not needed to make more gains. Yes you will get bigger from more but you also run more risks with your health.

You gave bad advice

[TheRepartitioner]

Yes you give dangerous advice. More gear is not needed to make more gains. Yes you will get bigger from more but you also run more risks with your health.

You gave bad advice

That is a grossly over-simplified synopsis of what I said and it also is ridiculously stupid, no offense. You run more risks to your health by running more gear. So that means any advice to run any kind of gear is bad advice. Why are you on this board then?? If a first timer wanted to run a cycle of 200 mg cypionate a week, and you told him no, that's not enough you should run 300, would that be bad advice?? After all, you suggested he add more gear. And that could cause health risks, right??

[TheRepartitioner]

As long as it was not being suggested that he add compounds to his current cycle. I dont know how many cycles he has ran before, but I would find out before suggesting Tren to someone.

No I didn't mean to his current cycle, I just kind of meant in general... had he considered using some different steroids to break his plateau? And he's run two cycles, so tren for a 3rd cycle is not unheard of..... although I wasn't ADVISING him to do any of this, I was just asking if he had thought about it

[Noles12]

That is a grossly over-simplified synopsis of what I said and it also is ridiculously stupid, no offense. You run more risks to your health by running more gear. So that means any advice to run any kind of gear is bad advice. Why are you on this board then?? If a first timer wanted to run a cycle of 200 mg cypionate a week, and you told him no, that's not enough you should run 300, would that be bad advice?? After all, you suggested he add more gear. And that could cause health risks, right??

From the way you stated it you included multiple steroids that could be added into his cycle some being the most harsh in the sense of side effects. When telling a guy that is on 750 mg of test with little experience with steroids that he should add in compounds such as tren and many other 19 nors mid cycle then your advice is potentially dangerous. More gear is not needed when you hit a plateau. It should be a last resort because many other things may be the reason.

Now then comparing telling a guy to increase his test from a very low dose to another dose only 100 mg higher to telling a guy he should add in multiple compounds is not on the same level.

[TheRepartitioner]

see my above post

[Noles12]

see my above post

alright sorry for my previous posts then. I think you can see why multiple guys thought that you were giving bad advice due to not knowing your full intentions. It is always better to explain things completely because we dont know what you are trying to get across without all of the details

[TheRepartitioner]

Yeah I can definitely see the misunderstanding... no big deal. I'll try to be more clear in my posts.