Testosterone Propionate: Shooting ED vs EOD

[Mr.Rose]

During my calculations for my current cycle I was tossing over ED or EOD injections with testosterone Propionate. Knowing it's half life was ~4.5 days i ran its values into a spread sheet and calculated the levels of test in my body over a 8 week cycle with a dose of 700mg/week.

Take a look at the difference.

If you shoot Test P every day you will reach a peak test level of 550mg at day 12, which will remain constant until you get off. I never took into account loss from biological mechanisms, but this isn't a scientific study, its just to show you how levels peak over time.

Here is the graph of ED Injection.



Now lets look at the graph of EOD injections. You can see that the peak level of test is only 437.5mg at day 7. Now thats 112.5mg less in your body then ED injections. The worst part however is the constant rise and fall in test levels, from 437.5 to 350. This saw-tooth graph pattern is not ideal at all and can cause side effects from AAS use to be more pronounced.



This opened my eyes, and i you guys now see the advantage of ED injections with short esters. Even though this is for 700mg/week, if you drop it to 500mg/week you will still get the same graph patterns. I'll make similar graphs for other AAS compounds to see the effects.

[jeffefrijoles]

Nice work!!

[gym_junki]

lol prop fvkn killllllllllllllllllls i cant move my sholders when i inject them and i only kno how to do sholders and gluts so each injection site gets 8days rest rest when injecting eod, it will kill me if i did it ed im trying to get a mate to teach me how to do tris and legs that will be good for me than ill go with the everyday.

but good work man honestly i wouldnt have ever thought it would look like this

[Mr.Rose]

You should see the graph E2D. It looks like a sea-saw. lol.

Prop doesn't hurt me at all. And I've tried so many. The only thing bad about prop is the virgin pain from your first ever injection.

Thanks guys.

[gym_junki]

lol iv taken prop that duznt hurt and prop that kills and i like the gains fromm the one that hurts i get mine over the counter fromm a vet. but the prop that didnt hurt me i had it given to me by a mate, didnt like it 4 weeks in and not much gains i was so disapointed so i stoped it. bigggg diffrence

[Mr.Rose]

Heres what test E looks like. Since test e and c are pretty similar, they would look near the same. Dose is 700mg/week. Again the graphs will look the same at 500mg/week or any other dose.

[marcus300]

Your better using a roid calculater rather than those charts, this will show you the active amount of Test in your blood.

[Mr.Rose]

Your better using a roid calculater rather than those charts, this will show you the active amount of Test in your blood.

Yes, thats what got me making those charts in the first place. I was searching the net for the calculators and couldn't find them so i made some graphs on my own. the only reason i posted is because of the massive difference in level stability. hey might not reflect the active compound, but still are a good reference.

Can you please direct me to the calculators please marcus?

Much appreciated my friend.

[Mr.Rose]

BTW for everyone reading, like stated in my first post those graphs do not take into account ester weights and compound weight, nor the loss through biological mechanisms in the body. They are solely based on half-life only! Not active life. Only use as an educational tool.

[marcus300]

Yes, thats what got me making those charts in the first place. I was searching the net for the calculators and couldn't find them so i made some graphs on my own. the only reason i posted is because of the massive difference in level stability. hey might not reflect the active compound, but still are a good reference.

Can you please direct me to the calculators please marcus?

Much appreciated my friend.

Your better of using this calculater http://www.roidcalc.com/ some of the half lifes are wrong so just adjust to suit and press calculate then you can press view diagram, do this with both EOD and ED and you will get your readings.

[rc_p90]

Real quick what is ED and what is EOD?

[stevey_6t9]

Heres what test E looks like. Since test e and c are pretty similar, they would look near the same. Dose is 700mg/week. Again the graphs will look the same at 500mg/week or any other dose.

rose i dont understand why regarding the test enan and cyp graphs that 700mg ew puts your levels up in the 1000's of mg.

am i missing something?

[Bonaparte]

Stevey, the doses accumulate in your system, since there is always test remaining from previous shots.

[big_ron]

Real quick what is ED and what is EOD?

ED every day, EOD every other day

[IMunchRoidz]

rose i dont understand why regarding the test enan and cyp graphs that 700mg ew puts your levels up in the 1000's of mg.

am i missing something?

yep, i dont understand this as well lol

[Swifto]

rose i dont understand why regarding the test enan and cyp graphs that 700mg ew puts your levels up in the 1000's of mg.

am i missing something?

Becasue there is still active compound after week 1. The ester is 14 days long, or around that number. So even with 700mg/wk you have to add the active hormone from the week before and week before that.

[Vitruvian-Man]

This is why most of the old bros that I know advocate using both short and longer esters in the ED injection protocol.

It's not really old news. ED injections always mean more stable blood levels.

Nice to see in a graph though Thanks Mr. Rose.

-VM

[FireGuy]

On your first chart @ 700mgs per week comparing ED to EOD. Did you input the numbers @ 100mgs per injection for ED and 200mgs per injection for EOD?

[6ft5]

On your first chart @ 700mgs per week comparing ED to EOD. Did you input the numbers @ 100mgs per injection for ED and 200mgs per injection for EOD?

I was wondering the same? I bet it would still be up and down.

[Mr.Rose]

Yup, it's why i shoot ED too. I get a lot less sides doing this, mainly less acne. Thanks VM.

First graph was 100mg ED and the second graph is 175mg ED, which is taking into account you shooting 4 times a week. I know that overlaps one day in the following week, but if you continue it like this until the end of your cycle, it's equivalent to 4x a week. If you were shooting 3 times a week your shots will be 233mg. Either way you will get the same saw-tooth pattern graph.

[sixey]

Yup, it's why i shoot ED too. I get a lot less sides doing this, mainly less acne. Thanks VM.
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really appreciate the graphs+info man, especially that ^^^ little tid-bit. will definitely be running my upcoming prop cycle with ED rather than EOD

[Swifto]

I'm the most acne prone AAS user I know and I have noticed no difference in ED vs. EOD in regards to Test Prop. The same with gains.

But if you talking about tapering up/down to avoid sides, then that does make a difference.

[alphadog]

Heres what test E looks like. Since test e and c are pretty similar, they would look near the same. Dose is 700mg/week. Again the graphs will look the same at 500mg/week or any other dose.

Those test levels are serious.. So with your levels that high are the results gonna be greater ??

[alphadog]

And how come test levels with Enth or Cyp are far higher than with Prop when the dosage isn't that much different ???

[alphadog]

How are test levels on Enth at 700mg/week so high and on Prop so much lower ?? Will you get better gains on Enth if this is as is ???

[Swifto]

How are test levels on Enth at 700mg/week so high and on Prop so much lower ?? Will you get better gains on Enth if this is as is ???

As discussed above, there will still be Test active in the blood after week 1 as the ester is 14-15 days long. So the hormone will build over time. With Propionate its excreted after 3-4 days completely.

[alphadog]

As discussed above, there will still be Test active in the blood after week 1 as the ester is 14-15 days long. So the hormone will build over time. With Propionate its excreted after 3-4 days completely.

So gains would be the same??

[Swifto]

So gains would be the same??

Longer esters seem to produce more gains.

They create a greater increase in DHT levels than shorted esters too. The diet should really determine bulking/cutting, but longer esters are better IMHO than shorter esters (Testosterone) at putting on LBM.

Thats not to say you cant use Test Prop for bulking as you can, but I've used the same dose of Test, on the same diet and gained more from Enan than I did Prop.

[bjpennnn]

swifto is that because of extra water weight or is that actual muscle mass your talking about when using longer ester tests.

[Swifto]

LBM gain I suspect. But the added water weight will help with strength and mass gains too. More strength = More mass (usually).

Long esters are more anabolic too. But dont confuse that with total mg per 100mg of product.

More anabolic, more of an increase in DHT all equate to muscle gain, when compared to shorter esters of the same parent hormone (Test).

But they also cause more HPTA suppression and convert to estrogen more heavily if you will (they cause more of a spike in estrogen).

[bjpennnn]

thank you

[alphadog]

So enth or cyp at ED injections would be pretty interesting..... Hmm.... Would I also benefit from ED injections of deca ?? And also I read that deca is best injected in the glute is this true ??

[dec11]

So enth or cyp at ED injections would be pretty interesting..... Hmm.... Would I also benefit from ED injections of deca ?? And also I read that deca is best injected in the glute is this true ??

nope thts bs, doesnt matter where you inject it

[dosXX]

Wow talk about more BANG for your buck with ED injection. Thanks Mr. Rose I appreciate the time and effort you put in to this informative thread. I'm so ED from now on. Hey gotta save some money you know i'm so broke these days. hehehe

[anabolix112]

Somehow my imagination tells me that i prefer the saw pattern

[dezza6969]

Cheers for those Rosie. All I know is the less frequently I inject, the more bloat and acne I get. With more frequent injections I get noticably less bloat and less to no acne until pct , when serms tend to gift me with bacne

[AlphaMaleDawg]

this thread is extremely disappointing. I will be doing a cycle of prop in a month and plan on shooting EOD. Now I feel like I should be shooting ED instead

[HawaiianPride.]

It's the best way to go IMO.

Levels were more stable last time I did a 8 week blast of Prop ED.

[ghettoboyd]

this thread is extremely disappointing. I will be doing a cycle of prop in a month and plan on shooting EOD. Now I feel like I should be shooting ED instead

im in week 12 of test prop cycle and have injected eod and have had no sides to speek of and have consistantly felt great so i guess you have to try them both and see what you think....id start out with eod and if its not working for you then try ed but make shure whichever on you do first that you try it for a few weeks for some experience to make a better comparison....my 2 cents...

[.deaffob]

Does this principle applies to other substances too, such as various Tren?