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[gregghowie]

Ok here we go am about to do my first cycle and this is what I am thinking? Please only comment if you are an experienced user of AAS.

Age: 22 ( I know I should wait. But please bare with me here)
Height: 6ft
Weight: 200
BF: Dont know but in the mid teens, I added some recently to maximize any potential gains.
Training. Approximately 3 years

Cycle:
1-10 weeks
250 mg/per week Testosterone cypionate (Depo-Testosterone)

PCT
Which I will begin 14-16 days after my last injection.
HCG. 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly for 16 days.
Clomid. Will be 100 mg per day for 30 days.
Nolvadex. 10 mg per day for 45 days.

Anti-Estrogenic
Arimidex. On hand for estrogenic side affects. Which will be taken at 1 mg per day for the remainder of the cycle.

Health Precautions
Which I will take throught the cycle.
Fish Oil. "To help cholesterol damage"
Lipid Stabil (Molecular Nutrition) "To help cholesterol damage"
Liver Stabil (Molecular Nutrition) "To help with liver support"

Vitamin E "Vita E increases blood plasma response to HCG"

Here are my concerns:
1. Are my doses for for my HGC. Clomid. Nolvadex creditble? And please pay particluar attention to the time frame that I would use them for. Has anybody had first time experince with this type of combination or seen it first hand?

2. Or would I better off with example 2 of PCT?

Example 2 PCT
Which I will begin 14-16 days after my last injection.
HCG. 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly for 16 days.
Nolvadex. 20 mg per day for 45 days.
Aromasin. 20-25mgs per day for 35 days.

I would greatly appreciate any additional comments in general.

[gbrice75]

Ok here we go am about to do my first cycle and this is what I am thinking? Please only comment if you are an experienced user of AAS.

Age: 22 ( I know I should wait. But please bare with me here)
Height: 6ft
Weight: 180
BF: Dont know but in the mid teens, I added some recently to maximize any potential gains.
Training. Approximately 3 years

Cycle:
1-10 weeks
250 mg/per week Testosterone cypionate (Depo-Testosterone)

PCT
Which I will begin 14-16 days after my last injection.
HCG. 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly for 16 days.
Clomid. Will be 100 mg per day for 30 days.
Nolvadex. 10 mg per day for 45 days.

Anti-Estrogenic
Arimidex. On hand for estrogenic side affects. Which will be taken at 1 mg per day for the remainder of the cycle.

Health Precautions
Which I will take throught the cycle.
Fish Oil. "To help cholesterol damage"
Lipid Stabil (Molecular Nutrition) "To help cholesterol damage"
Liver Stabil (Molecular Nutrition) "To help with liver support"

Vitamin E "Vita E increases blood plasma response to HCG"

Here are my concerns:
1. Are my doses for for my HGC. Clomid. Nolvadex creditble? And please pay particluar attention to the time frame that I would use them for. Has anybody had first time experince with this type of combination or seen it first hand?

2. Or would I better off with example 2 of PCT?

Example 2 PCT
Which I will begin 14-16 days after my last injection.
HCG. 125-250ius 2-3 times weekly for 16 days.
Nolvadex. 20 mg per day for 45 days.
Aromasin. 20-25mgs per day for 35 days.

I would greatly appreciate any additional comments in general.

Hey, it looks like you've thought out your cycle much more than others who post here. Unfortunately, it falls short IMO particularly on PCT.

Firstly, you're too young but you already know that. Secondly, at 6'0 and only 180lbs (you don't know your BF but didn't say you're very lean, so i'm willing to bet it's relatively high) it sounds like you can do ALOT more naturally before thinking about using AAS. I think you need diet help, not AAS.

Cycle - only 250mg/week? It sounds like a bit of a waste to me.

Your PCT structure is odd to me. I can't really speak to the HCG as I don't have that experience, but the clomid and nolva doses and length of time are off IMO. Not that it's written in stone, but a pretty standard protocol would be 4 weeks of each - Clomid at 100/50/50/50 and Nolva at 40/20/20/20. No way you need 100mg clomid for a month, and 10mg of Nolva isn't enough.

Good that you have Adex on hand. But dude - 1mg/day ED? WTF? That's way too much, maybe .5mg EOD and see how that goes. Unless you're SERIOUSLY gyno prone, you may not even need to run it at all.

My advice to you is do ALOT more research, spend the next couple of years training and tweaking your diet for natural gains, then reconsider AAS if you still have the bug. Whatever you decide, good luck.

[livingwithdoms]

I like to use clomid and nolva for 4 weeks.

clomid 70/70/35/35
nolva 40/40/20/20

[gregghowie]

Hey, it looks like you've thought out your cycle much more than others who post here. Unfortunately, it falls short IMO particularly on PCT.

Firstly, you're too young but you already know that. Secondly, at 6'0 and only 180lbs (you don't know your BF but didn't say you're very lean, so i'm willing to bet it's relatively high) it sounds like you can do ALOT more naturally before thinking about using AAS. I think you need diet help, not AAS.

Cycle - only 250mg/week? It sounds like a bit of a waste to me.

Your PCT structure is odd to me. I can't really speak to the HCG as I don't have that experience, but the clomid and nolva doses and length of time are off IMO. Not that it's written in stone, but a pretty standard protocol would be 4 weeks of each - Clomid at 100/50/50/50 and Nolva at 40/20/20/20. No way you need 100mg clomid for a month, and 10mg of Nolva isn't enough.

Good that you have Adex on hand. But dude - 1mg/day ED? WTF? That's way too much, maybe .5mg EOD and see how that goes. Unless you're SERIOUSLY gyno prone, you may not even need to run it at all.

My advice to you is do ALOT more research, spend the next couple of years training and tweaking your diet for natural gains, then reconsider AAS if you still have the bug. Whatever you decide, good luck.

Hi gbrice75

Thanks for the input it was definetly noted. I am glad that you made comment on the arimedex as I was unsure of the dose. I had read between .5 and 1 mg but I am glad that you have cleared that up. As for the dose of test I am still undecided. The normal dose I am assuming is 500mg per week. But I am trying to be as cautious as possible and I have heard of a number of people whom reccomend the half dose, particulary as a bigginer cycle. But I will look into it further. As for the PCT I am struggling here. The problem being i that everybody will reccomend something different. I was going through a post the other day and the guy thought that Milk Thistle may help his gyno! Lol. But I hear what you are saying with the low dose of Nolva.

Just to clarify. I am actually more like 200 pounds. I am from South Africa and we are all about kilograms here. And I quickly multiplied by 2 instead of 2.2 and I must appologise I hate it when people post info that is not correct. And I have gone and done the same thing!

But none the less thankyou for the information and keep well.