first cycle

[govenator]

what a wealth of information this site is, tyvm

i have an aerobic sort of weight training ive been doing for years that i thought id apply ron's 8 week reload and 2 week deload on.

i work out 3 times a week on all muscle groups, moving between machines with no rest and lots of reps

ive been injecting 250mg twice a week for the past 3 weeks and ive just started to notice the difference.

i just wanted to know if u guys thought i was doing anything wrong and id like some advice on pct

this guy seems to know what hes talking about, says to stay away from nolva and clomid


i guess u dont allow links lol, o well, google Edited and go into the steroid forum, there, the first thread is entitled "the very best pct"


but he wants me on 7 different meds! he must work for the drug companies!

i just dont get the whole concept of pct. the test e im taking is a drug that makes my balls produce testosterone, and when i bridge with pct, u want me to take different drugs that make my balls produce testosterone?

caloric intake: 20,000/day
protein intake: alot
weight: 200lbs lean
height: 6 feet
age:25

[HawaiianPride.]

20,000 calorie intake per day. Yeah, this post is full of BS.

[govenator]

no really lol, cafeteria food is free

[govenator]

add it up man, 4 slices of pizza a day, 8 hotdogs, a couple pounds of ribs, a loaf of bread and 6 glases of chockolate milk

[HawaiianPride.]

add it up man, 4 slices of pizza a day, 8 hotdogs, a couple pounds of ribs, a loaf of bread and 6 glases of chockolate milk

You are telling me this is your proposed diet plan in conjunction with your cycle? Not to mention no Clomid or Nolva for PCT?

You have a lot of reading to do.

[govenator]

are u saying u disagree with the research done in the link i have provided? tell me specifically why he is wrong if u know ur stuff

[Big]

when you have to put spaces in to keep our site filter from blocking something, wouldn't that be a clue that it's something we don't want you to post?

[govenator]

i fixed it so that there is no link, u just have to Google something and click twice

[HawaiianPride.]

are u saying u disagree with the research done in the link i have provided? tell me specifically why he is wrong if u know ur stuff

I have absolutely no reason to express my theories on proper PCT protocols to you. You are clearly uneducated in regards to this.

[govenator]

in fact ill do u one better, here is his post
To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

I'm a troll from another board.

[Big]

we don't allow links or references to other forums, but that is total bs. you need a proper diet not that garbage, and a proper pct. so someone who sells pct products tells you that you need his products and you believe it?
you should do your own research.

[govenator]

lol hawaiin, u obviously dont know nearly as much as that guy does

[Big]

lol hawaiin, u obviously dont know nearly as much as that guy does

that guy is a joke, and your membership here is nearing an end.
if you like it so much there, go back.

[govenator]

i am here to verify my research, just telling me my source is wrong is not constructive criticism

[Big]

lol hawaiin, u obviously dont know nearly as much as that guy does

and posts like this help with your "research"?

[HawaiianPride.]

lol hawaiin, u obviously dont know nearly as much as that guy does

I'm not going to waste my time with you or that garbage you've just posted. I've been using the basics in PCT for years. They all work, and my blood work proves it every time. I will not change what I've been doing year and year again because of some post that's telling me Clomid and Nolva are are much less ineffective in comparison to Proviron, AI's, and some OTC products.

Sorry dude, my experience will not be tampered with by your attempts to change the views of many here who swear by the traditional recovery protocols.

[govenator]

your not giving me much of an option, i shouldn't have to challenge someones knowledge base in order to acquire information

I have absolutely no reason to express my theories on proper PCT protocols to you. You are clearly uneducated in regards to this.

and thats just nasty, no reason for that in here

[Swifto]

F*ck off Need2 and go back to your stupid f*cking board Elite.

You have no idea what your doing in regards to PCT.

Here's a study (NEW), not "10 years ago".

In a recent study done on Tamox, Tore and Rolax comparing HPTA restoration. Tamoxifen came out on top.

In 8 weeks, 20mg/ED of Tamoxifen increased LH from 4.54 to 7.73 and Test from 496.59 to 835.06. After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 and Test from 496.59 to 709.79. From my PCT Sticky.

[Big]

I had a feeling that's who this was

[govenator]

thank you

[HawaiianPride.]

F*ck off Need2 and go back to your stupid f*cking board Elite.

You have no idea what your doing in regards to PCT.

Here's a study (NEW), not "10 years ago".

In a recent study done on Tamox, Tore and Rolax comparing HPTA restoration. Tamoxifen came out on top.

In 8 weeks, 20mg/ED of Tamoxifen increased LH from 4.54 to 7.73 and Test from 496.59 to 835.06. After two months, 60mg/day of Toremifene increased LH from 4.05 to 5.05 and Test from 496.59 to 709.79. From my PCT Sticky.

Agree. N2BM is all about pushing their products, on nearly every forum I see. It's frustrating to say the least.

Glad to see you in here Swift. I was just about to pull out some studies.

[HawaiianPride.]

I had a feeling that's who this was

Yep, if HCGenerate is in a thread being pushed then it's a N2BM rep behind it.

[Swifto]

The product your attempting to push is nothing new.

Its mostly fadogia agrestis SE with a bit of Lj100. Herbs that have NO data (double blind controlled independant studies) supporting they work.

Take your snake oil and fat overweight lard ass with you.

Say hi to your wingman Nelson Montana. I mean, he think's he's an authority on AAS and thought Dbol actually raised endogenous testosterone. Then there was the time he wrote an article full of shit without a single reference. And another time he invented a word "androbolic". ha ha ha....

[Big]

in fact ill do u one better, here is his post
To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

I'm a troll from another board.

at least you're honest

[Swifto]

in fact ill do u one better, here is his post
To anyone who doesn't know it, here's the deal. Read it and weep...

I'm a troll from another board.

You should do some research yourself or spend somt time here. Not listen to the fattest personal trainer on the planet (Need2) and Nelson, who doesnt know his arse from his elbow. The shit he's come out with is unreal.

Then he pumps an article out without a shred of evidence.