Gyno: my GP says it will fix itself ? Help

[smfo00]

26 years old.
16 week Test-E Cycle.... Last shot was 2 months ago.
I started nolva 2 weeks after final injection and ran Nolva at 40mg for the first 8 days and then reduced the amount to 20 mg ED for 2 more weeks. I discontinued the Nolva and 2 weeks later I notice a small pea sized lump under my left nipple.

I am also running Finasteride at .05mg EOD. Apperently Finasteride can cause Gyno in some men because it inhibits the uptake of DHT.... I have been on this drug for 2 years.

I just got checked out by my GP and was quickly told that this is "common" and that it will " go away in a couple months". Even though I told him I did a cycle of steroids he seems to think that the lump is due to the Finateride and NOT the juice.

Right now it is obviously a very minor - small - lump and I am earnestly hopeing that it will subside on its own. However, I am doubtful and concerned. I just ordered some Letro and will use it once it gets here.

Can anyone give me some advice?

[smfo00]

Oh, and once I first noticed the lump I put myself back on Nolva at 40mg a day...... I have been running Nolva for the past 2 weeks.

[Atomini]

You used Test E only? No other compounds during cycle (including ancilliaries)?

No gyno symptoms during the cycle?

[smfo00]

Actually, I was running Anavar for the middle 4 weeks of my Cycle as well. But I experienced no side effects at all while I was on Cycle. Nothing at all.

[Igifuno]

so no improvement with the nolv over the past couple weeks? If you're not responding to the nolv, maybe give letro a go.

[Atomini]

What sounds strange in this situation is this:

No gyno sides on-cycle. Then nolva for PCT. Once nolva is done, gyno appears.

It's odd because this is a typical rebound situation that happens with things like letro (due to letro not permanently disabling the aromatase enzyme, so when you go off it, the enzyme is then free again to aromatize androgens).

Was the nolva bunk?

The doc could be right, it may be the finasteride. I would reccomend asking your doc to do bloodwork. It's the only way you and your doc will be able to know exactly what is going on inside.

[smfo00]

The Nolva seems to be stopping the Gyno from advancing but it is not doing anything to reduce the lumps. The lump seems to go through phases of being MORE firm and LESS firm..... No idea why though. Once the Letro gets here I will give it a shot.

What are the chances that this will go away once I start Letro ? Does anyone have any experience with this >?

[smfo00]

I asked the Doctor if I should get my blood work done and he told me that " there was nothing to worry about" and that it would " go away on it's own in a couple of months." I have a feeling like this guy doesn't know very much about this kind of thing. I have been seen by 2 GP's in the last week and they both have passed it off as nothing. I know that this is not true.

[Igifuno]

I asked the Doctor if I should get my blood work done and he told me that " there was nothing to worry about" and that it would " go away on it's own in a couple of months." I have a feeling like this guy doesn't know very much about this kind of thing. I have been seen by 2 GP's in the last week and they both have passed it off as nothing. I know that this is not true.

Agreed. It may be that he just isn't familiar with this type of thing.. not all GPs are knowledgable with this.. you'll get better treatment advice from the members here.

[smfo00]

So, I am going to stop taking the finasteride; should I wait to see what that does before I starting taking Letro or should I start the Letro ASAP ? What should I do ? In your opinion: does my situation seem fixable ?

[TTFU]

I have been on 2.5mg Letro ED for about 3 weeks to reduce a pea-sized gyno lump under my left nipple.

No success as of yet.

Mine was also a few weeks post PCT.

[smfo00]

I have been reading a lot of reports from people, on this site, that have had similar issues with Letro..... Why is it so frequently suggested as a means of treatment - for Gyno - when there are so many reports of it not working ?

How common is steroid related Gyno and how often does it advance into more serious stages of Gyno ? If this is a common problem, that commonly resolves itself after a few months, that might be good to know.

[AlphaGenetics]

The Nolva seems to be stopping the Gyno from advancing but it is not doing anything to reduce the lumps. The lump seems to go through phases of being MORE firm and LESS firm..... No idea why though. Once the Letro gets here I will give it a shot.

What are the chances that this will go away once I start Letro ? Does anyone have any experience with this >?

I ran letro to try to get rid of my gyno with no success. I hate letro because I feel that it made the gyno worse. I even ran nolva two weeks after to combat estrogen rebound that happens when you get off letro. After the nolva gyno flared up like a freakin forest fire. I had to get that shit cut out by a surgen it got so bad. This is my experience.

[AlphaGenetics]

I have been reading a lot of reports from people, on this site, that have had similar issues with Letro..... Why is it so frequently suggested as a means of treatment - for Gyno - when there are so many reports of it not working ?

How common is steroid related Gyno and how often does it advance into more serious stages of Gyno ? If this is a common problem, that commonly resolves itself after a few mon, that might be good to know.

It depends on how bad it is. If its smaller than a pea than I can see it going away after a few months once your body sorts it self out.

[Atomini]

Just a small tip:

What I do at the start of every cycle where I am using an aromatizable steroid, on the FIRST day of my cycle I take 25-50mg of Aromasin (AKA Exemestane) to knock the crap out of the aromatase enzyme. Yes, I know this reduces estrogen in the body to absurdly low levels, but I only do this on the first day of the cycle and thats it. The rest of my Aromasin I keep around on hand incase any flare-ups occur (of which none have ever happened), and for PCT.

I reccomend everyone to do this if you are somsone worried about gyno or bloating. I find that estrogen levels rise slowly after that first megadose of the AI, but not enough to cause issues. This is especially good if youre prone to estrogenic sides.

[smfo00]

I am still not sure what my next course of action should be here.

Should I keep running Nolva and wait it out to see what happens when my hormone levels balance out ? Or should I start taking Letro as soon as it gets here and risk Estro Rebound ?

[stevey_6t9]

is ti actually visible or can you just feel it?

[smfo00]

My nipple is slightly more puffy than the other one but it does not jump out at you. I can feel the lump when I touch it though.

[AlphaGenetics]

I would just run nolva for another couple weeks and let your body sort this out on its own. Throwing letro into the mix at this point cold only cause more damage IMO. If a year from now the lump still is there then mabe think about letro. gl

[zaneisgreat]

Like you said, the gyno will most likely NOT go away. I also had gyno. Tried the high dose AI methods, including letro followed by SERM for rebound(high dose letro = hell). I didn't have any luck.. at best, it temporarily halted my gyno growth.

Letro simply works for some people and doesn't for others. I had to opt for surgery. That took care of it quite well and only cost me $1710 for EVERYTHING (pre op checkup, surgery, medication, medical garments and post op checkups). Done in Costa Rica. They did an awesome job.

[AlphaGenetics]

Like you said, the gyno will most likely NOT go away. I also had gyno. Tried the high dose AI methods, including letro followed by SERM for rebound(high dose letro = hell). I didn't have any luck.. at best, it temporarily halted my gyno growth.

Letro simply works for some people and doesn't for others. I had to opt for surgery. That took care of it quite well and only cost me $1710 for EVERYTHING (pre op checkup, surgery, medication, medical garments and post op checkups). Done in Costa Rica. They did an awesome job.

Cost me $5,000 in California.

[Football_Bill]

Do insurances not cover gyno surgery? Or was it because you were up front with the Dr. about steroid use, so it was your fault you had gyno?

[smfo00]

Obviously there are different degrees of Gyno ranging from extreamly mild to extreamly pronounced...... My Gyno has not grown since I started running Nolva and has not increased once I dropped my Nolva down to 20mg a day - from 40mg a day. Looking at the pictures of other people online I would say that my gyno is fairly mild and in the last 2 days the pain has gone down by about 40 percent.

Finasteride inhibits DHT; DHT inhibits the growth of the Mammery glands...... I am wondering if this problem won't work itself out once my body starts producing regular amounts of DHT again.

[smfo00]

The problem here is that only two options have been given for possible solutions to this matter..... Surgical intervention and pharmaceutical. Surgical intervention is, as always, a last resort as it is very invasive and, more importantly, very expensive. Also, it seems like this method should only be used in more ADVANCED stages of Gyno - once the reasons for the Gyno are established.

Also, running Letro has been sited as a last resort method in the pharmaceutical department as it shuts down something like 98 percent of the estrogen in your body. This type of shut down is clearly an issue because once you stop taking the medication you can still suffer an estrogen rebound and the whole problem starts over again.

Who in here has HAD Gyno that just went away after a few months ?
How often is surgery actually preformed on Gyno Cases: Always? Often ? Rare ?

It is shocking to me how little information/ support there is out there on this problem when it seems to be SUCH a common occurance.

[dharts]

its not going to go away on its on=wn or with letro u need surgery and sometimes you think its a pea size lump and its walnut sized get suregery

[zaneisgreat]

Do insurances not cover gyno surgery? Or was it because you were up front with the Dr. about steroid use, so it was your fault you had gyno?

Very few insurance companies will cover gyno surgery. They consider it a cosmetic surgery. You do rarely hear of some people getting the surgery covered by insurance because they tell their physician that it causes extreme pain.

[zaneisgreat]

Surgical intervention and pharmaceutical. Surgical intervention is, as always, a last resort as it is very invasive

Not really. They do typically perform general anesthesia but it is really a low-risk surgery and extremely effective at fixing the problem. Recovery is also a breeze.

[smfo00]

I just got back from meeting with another doctor: I strongly suggested that I get my hormone leves checked, as well as, for him, to give me the number of a good endocrinologist. He basically just told me to relax; that once your body sorts out it's hormone levels the chemical enviroment would not be able to support the mammery glands and the little lump would subside.

Considering the fact that Letro deals out 98% of your estrogen, and has been reported to actually reverse some Lump Gyno, wouldn't that just confirm the idea that once the chemical enviroment of your body isn't supportive of mammery growth the problem will back track and eventually go away ?

This has been the 4th Doctor I have seen in two weeks. They have all said, pretty much, the same things to me.......

[smfo00]

Not really. They do typically perform general anesthesia but it is really a low-risk surgery and extremely effective at fixing the problem. Recovery is also a breeze.

More importantly, it is expensive.....

[smfo00]

4th week with said "lump"...... It has gone down by about 3 quarters with the help, maybe, of Nolva.............. Soooooooooo, thanks for such amazing advice. Next time I will opt for a more suitable opinion.