Question about Deca and Joints

[iGOTstrongBICEPS]

My whole life ive always had very bad joints and weak tendons. I read that Deca relieves joint pain and increases bone mineral content. Aside from the anabolic standpoint, how much deca is needed to help my joints and what does bone mineral content mean?

I go in for surgery to repair the tendons in my right hand thursday. This is the 3rd time ive torn a tendon.

[zoltans4]

bone mineral content is density. I can't help with the other q's

[ScotchGuard02]

Welcome to the club bro I got the same problem as you. Deca should be take in small doses like 150mg/wk. I'm currently on 125mg/wk of Deca, 125mg/wk of EQ, and 150mg/wk of Test E. It's been 5 weeks and my joints feel better. I'm also seeing a little anabolic results. Very little or no sides. I'm prone to acne and none has shown up. I'm also not looking be a monster either so things are looking good for my joints.

[iGOTstrongBICEPS]

Welcome to the club bro I got the same problem as you. Deca should be take in small doses like 150mg/wk. I'm currently on 125mg/wk of Deca, 125mg/wk of EQ, and 150mg/wk of Test E. It's been 5 weeks and my joints feel better. I'm also seeing a little anabolic results. Very little or no sides. I'm prone to acne and none has shown up. I'm also not looking be a monster either so things are looking good for my joints.

Why are you dosing it so low ?

[TKO Performance]

First, Deca is not going to be a miracle cure for joints and tendons. It will not take the place of rest, ice, NSAIs, heat, and ultrasound. Those are the best ways to treat an injured tendon. Above all they take a long time to heal. My tendon in my elbow took five months to fully recover.

Deca, EQ, and Anavar may all speed recovery and help repair minor damage by effecting a progesterone modulated increase in collagen synthesis. Basically they boost the production the building blocks needed for connective tissue repair. However if I had to choose between the three I'd go with Anavar due to the much lower chance of side effects, and the decreased severity of those side effects. 50-80mg/day of Anavar would be plenty.

[HawaiianPride.]

Have you considered all other options besides going straight to Deca to cure a little joint issues..

[iGOTstrongBICEPS]

Have you considered all other options besides going straight to Deca to cure a little joint issues..

Well, its not like im going to take Deca solely for my joints, im planning my next cycle and i think this would be good to run again.

[Nooomoto]

I always run deca at 500mg/wk during my cycles. If I can find it, I will replace deca with NPP. But, if I can't...I'll continue to use deca in my cycles, it's joint lubricating properties are invaluable.

Keep in mind that deca will only MASK the pain. When you come off, your joints will dry out again and the pain will return, sometimes greater than it was before for a couple weeks.

[TKO Performance]

It really has nothing to do with increasing water in the joints. You may see some increase in synovial fluid, but if there was a lot you'd actually get pain from that. You are simply better able to repair the minor damage that occurs to these tissues during regular lifiting while taking the Deca. The pain once you come off is almost certainly related to the shift in hormone balance caused as you come off your cycle and enter PCT. If I knew your cycle and PCT protocol I'd be able to tell you exactly why you get the pain and might even be able to advise a change or two that would prevent it.

[Nooomoto]

It really has nothing to do with increasing water in the joints. You may see some increase in synovial fluid, but if there was a lot you'd actually get pain from that. You are simply better able to repair the minor damage that occurs to these tissues during regular lifiting while taking the Deca. The pain once you come off is almost certainly related to the shift in hormone balance caused as you come off your cycle and enter PCT. If I knew your cycle and PCT protocol I'd be able to tell you exactly why you get the pain and might even be able to advise a change or two that would prevent it.

Don't mean to hijack this guy's thread. I've had recurring problems with bursitis and tendinitis in my shoulders. My doctor suggested to "stop working out", which is obviously ridiculous, so I stretch a lot and that helps quite a bit. During cycle I use the deca because I lift heavier (powerlifter for sport) during my cycles. Like right now I'm in my 4th week of PCT and my shoulders aren't bothering me to much, the discomfort is minimal.

Anyway my last cycle was as follows:

Test-E: 750mg wks 1-10, 1000mg wks 10-14, 750mg wks 14-16
Deca: 500mg wks 1-14
Anadrol: 100mg/ED wks 1-4

PCT:
Nolvadex: 40mg/ED wks 1-2, 20mg/ED wks 2-4
Clomid: 100mg/ED wks 1-2, 50mg/ED wks-2-4

[TKO Performance]

I'm sure you know this, but in case anyone ever does a search and needs the info, bursitis is caused by the inflamation of the bursae, which are fluid filled sacs that cushion your joint. They are particularly susceptible to this in ball and socket joints like the hip and shoulder. The shoulder is the worst, because it has the least amount of hard support.

Definitely not working out is foolish. Rest does not help chronic conditions like bursitis and arthritis. In fact just the opposite. I know guys who did construction labor into their 60s and 70s. They had all sorts of maladies like that, but the reason they were able to keep doing it was because they never stopped. They kept everything from stiffening up, losing strength and mobility.

Did you start your PCT right after your cycle ended, or wait two weeks after your last pin?

[Nooomoto]

I'm sure you know this, but in case anyone ever does a search and needs the info, bursitis is caused by the inflamation of the bursae, which are fluid filled sacs that cushion your joint. They are particularly susceptible to this in ball and socket joints like the hip and shoulder. The shoulder is the worst, because it has the least amount of hard support.

Definitely not working out is foolish. Rest does not help chronic conditions like bursitis and arthritis. In fact just the opposite. I know guys who did construction labor into their 60s and 70s. They had all sorts of maladies like that, but the reason they were able to keep doing it was because they never stopped. They kept everything from stiffening up, losing strength and mobility.

Did you start your PCT right after your cycle ended, or wait two weeks after your last pin?

I waited 14 days after my last pin

[ScotchGuard02]

HawaiianPride makes a really good point about jumping right into AAS for joint problems. I'm 50 and I've done a lot of contraindicated joint sport like wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing, since I was 11. My joints are plain worn out. I don't want to do a knee replacement yet or a hip replacement. They don't last but 10 to 15 years so when I'm 60 or 65 I have to get new metal put in me. So for the last 10 years I have been using glucosamine, MSM, Cissus, and other supplements. I've gotten anti-inflammatory from my doc to keep the swelling down. Hasn't been too much fun. I've turned to AAS after much research. I take a low dosage because a lot of the thing I read says that both Deca and EQ will build collagen in the joints at low dosage. As the dosage increase and the anabolic affect become more pronounced there is less collagen buildup in the joints. Same with the Test. Higher dose like 500mg/wk tend to dry out the collagen in the joints. Thus my low dosage. This cycle is specifically designed to enhance my joints. So far so good. There is a point where it's simply too late to regenerate collagen. Dang, I think I'm there. I've been bone to bone in my knee and hip for years. I'm hoping that there will be some collagen buildup in the joints. I'm looking for ANY collagen in there. LOL

[TKO Performance]

HawaiianPride makes a really good point about jumping right into AAS for joint problems. I'm 50 and I've done a lot of contraindicated joint sport like wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing, since I was 11. My joints are plain worn out. I don't want to do a knee replacement yet or a hip replacement. They don't last but 10 to 15 years so when I'm 60 or 65 I have to get new metal put in me. So for the last 10 years I have been using glucosamine, MSM, Cissus, and other supplements. I've gotten anti-inflammatory from my doc to keep the swelling down. Hasn't been too much fun. I've turned to AAS after much research. I take a low dosage because a lot of the thing I read says that both Deca and EQ will build collagen in the joints at low dosage. As the dosage increase and the anabolic affect become more pronounced there is less collagen buildup in the joints. Same with the Test. Higher dose like 500mg/wk tend to dry out the collagen in the joints. Thus my low dosage. This cycle is specifically designed to enhance my joints. So far so good. There is a point where it's simply too late to regenerate collagen. Dang, I think I'm there. I've been bone to bone in my knee and hip for years. I'm hoping that there will be some collagen buildup in the joints. I'm looking for ANY collagen in there. LOL

The new generation of hip and knee replacements will last a lot longer than 10-15 years. They are more like 25-30. There have been major advances in materials over the last couple of years. My great grandmother had a knee done (early style too) and it lasted her a good 25 years, but she wasn't trying to push the limits either.

There is ongoing research into regrowing cartillidge. Results on race horses has been promising, but human trials are probably five-ten years away. They are creating a small circle of grafted new material in a couple places on the miniscus. It's very cool stuff, hopefully it's available soon.