Not sure if needle is big enough for i.m

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

Hello, I got some 5/8 needles today, and i was wondering if it was okay to do delt shots or quad shots. any feedback is appericated

[scotty51312]

definitley not recommended. 1 inch is pretty much standard for both. Might be able to get away with it if you're at an extremley low bodyfat but like i said not recomended

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

dammit! just waisted my money, oh well live and learn.lol thanks

[Ashop]

Hello, I got some 5/8 needles today, and i was wondering if it was okay to do delt shots or quad shots. any feedback is appericated

You need at least 1" for deep IM.

[themoreyouknow]

nah dude, 5/8 is fine for delts or pecs..but i wouldn't use it for anything else

[MrGreen]

You can pin your pecks with that. LOL Well if your pecks are big enough. I personally have a thing with pinning anything but glutes, quads and delts.

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

you sure? i never did pecs, just glutes and quad once(hurt like hell for 5days) glutes arnt squat4 me, but where in the pec?

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

and its okay even if im 2 12-15%BF?

[HawaiianPride.]

Doesn't have to be IM guys. Sub-Q will work as well.

[AZGOLDSMEMBER86]

Doesn't have to be IM guys. Sub-Q will work as well.

i her that if it doesnt go deep enough, it will leak and get infected, not to metion that the poetency gets lowered. what do you think? cool avatar btw.

[HawaiianPride.]

Not true. Use the Z track method to avoid leaks. Potency stays the same Sub and IM.

[cyrexxxx]

you can use 5/8(16mm) needles for delt/peck/bicep injections. just make sure the needle goes in all the way. i personally wont go lower than 1" i love quad injections with a 25g 1". or even the glute 23g 1.5" arent that bad. but like the guys mentioned try to get the gear in as deep as possible(lot less pain, lot less worry about abcesses).

[themoreyouknow]

Not true. Use the Z track method to avoid leaks. Potency stays the same Sub and IM.

x2...it just takes longer to get absorbed via sub q rather than IM.

[HawaiianPride.]

x2...it just takes longer to get absorbed via sub q rather than IM.

Read below my friend I would assume the same would apply to AAS.


Pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection of human chorionic gonadotropin.
Fertil Steril. 1991 Aug;56(2):225-9.

Saal W, Glowania HJ, Hengst W, Happ J.

Bundeswehrzentralkrankenhaus, Koblenz, Germany.

OBJECTIVE: The pharmacokinetics and efficiency of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) after subcutaneous (SC) injection was to clarify in comparison with the intramuscular (IM) mode of administration. DESIGN: In a prospective study, the pharmacokinetics of hCG and the response of serum testosterone (T), luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) after an IM and SC injection of 5,000 IU hCG were evaluated up to 144 hours in two randomized groups. SETTING: The study was carried out in a clinical dermatology department providing tertiary care. PARTICIPANTS: Twenty-four healthy male volunteers with a mean age of 22.7 +/- 4.3 years were divided into two groups. INTERVENTIONS: Human chorionic gonadotropin (5,000 IU) was injected IM or SC. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Serum concentration of /b-hCG, T, LH, and FSH were evaluated after IM and SC administration of hCG. Differences between the two groups were determined by t-test. RESULTS: Compared with [intramuscular] administration of hCG, peak serum drug concentration was significantly delayed (P = 0.01) and serum half-life was prolonged (P = 0.01) after [subcutaneous] injection; however, [testosterone], LH, and FSH responses were identical. CONCLUSIONS: Subcutaneous application of 5,000 IU hCG is as effective as [intramuscular] administration in terms of [testosterone production].
PMID: 1712735 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[PistolStarta]

yep, Ive used 5/8 on delts for sure no problems.

[Bonaparte]

Read below my friend I would assume the same would apply to AAS.


Pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics after subcutaneous and intramuscular injection of human chorionic gonadotropin.
Fertil Steril. 1991 Aug;56(2):225-9.

Saal W, Glowania HJ, Hengst W, Happ J.

Bundeswehrzentralkrankenhaus, Koblenz, Germany.

OBJECTIVE: The pharmacokinetics and efficiency of human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) after subcutaneous (SC) injection was to clarify in comparison with the intramuscular (IM) mode of administration. DESIGN: In a prospective study, the pharmacokinetics of hCG and the response of serum testosterone (T), luteinizing hormone (LH), and follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) after an IM and SC injection of 5,000 IU hCG were evaluated up to 144 hours in two randomized groups. SETTING: The study was carried out in a clinical dermatology department providing tertiary care. PARTICIPANTS: Twenty-four healthy male volunteers with a mean age of 22.7 +/- 4.3 years were divided into two groups. INTERVENTIONS: Human chorionic gonadotropin (5,000 IU) was injected IM or SC. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE: Serum concentration of /b-hCG, T, LH, and FSH were evaluated after IM and SC administration of hCG. Differences between the two groups were determined by t-test. RESULTS: Compared with [intramuscular] administration of hCG, peak serum drug concentration was significantly delayed (P = 0.01) and serum half-life was prolonged (P = 0.01) after [subcutaneous] injection; however, [testosterone], LH, and FSH responses were identical. CONCLUSIONS: Subcutaneous application of 5,000 IU hCG is as effective as [intramuscular] administration in terms of [testosterone production].
PMID: 1712735 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

You just reinforced his point that it will delay absorption, not lower it.

[baseline_9]

im going to be giving 29G half inch slin pins for my test prop shots (for delts tris and maybe peks)

i think u will be IM anyway if i sink them

[HawaiianPride.]

You just reinforced his point that it will delay absorption, not lower it.

Wrong article, I'll have to dig in my files to find the right one.

Bon, or themoreyouknow, got any studies citing the absorption rate being delayed?

[tjax03]

Hello, I got some 5/8 needles today, and i was wondering if it was okay to do delt shots or quad shots. any feedback is appericated

I am 12-13% bodyfat and I have been using 5/8 for delts and pecs. No problems at all. 1 inch is not necessary for those muscles, despite what people have been telling you.

[tjax03]

you sure? i never did pecs, just glutes and quad once(hurt like hell for 5days) glutes arnt squat4 me, but where in the pec?

I pin my pecs pretty much in the middle of the muscle. Just find an area with a nice bit of muscle. It's probably best to stay away from the nipple area though as that skin is pretty tender. Also I have found that it is less painful if you slightly flex the muscle as you penetrate the skin with the needle. It helps the needle to penetrate the skin more easily. As soon as it goes through though you should relax the muscle.

[themoreyouknow]

Wrong article, I'll have to dig in my files to find the right one.

Bon, or themoreyouknow, got any studies citing the absorption rate being delayed?

nothing ive seen..just basing my information off what we were told pharmacology class a few years back

[Bonaparte]

Bon, or themoreyouknow, got any studies citing the absorption rate being delayed?

You mean besides the one you posted? lol
I don't have any studies on hand, but it is hardly counter-intuitive. You have more veins and blood-flow in your muscles than in your fat tissue.

[tjax03]

You mean besides the one you posted? lol
I don't have any studies on hand, but it is hardly counter-intuitive. You have more veins and blood-flow in your muscles than in your fat tissue.

There are definitely newer studies which have shown that sub-q is just as effective as IM. I don't have the personally, but have I have seen them posted on other boards. The main issue from what I can tell with sub-q is that the volume one can inject is more limited because the oil tends to form slightly painful lumps under the skin which can be irritating. Other than that though it seems good to go.

[Bonaparte]

There are definitely newer studies which have shown that sub-q is just as effective as IM.

I am well aware. I didn't say it is less effective, just that it absorbs a bit slower, due to a lack of blood vessels.

[boxin23]

Doesn't have to be IM guys. Sub-Q will work as well.

Have you known of anyone who has done a cycle of lets say....tren and test and done is sub-Q ? Were the results the same....what about blood levels and sides ?

Thanks....i would love to do AAS sub-Q just like my hgh....

[HawaiianPride.]

Have you known of anyone who has done a cycle of lets say....tren and test and done is sub-Q ? Were the results the same....what about blood levels and sides ?

Thanks....i would love to do AAS sub-Q just like my hgh....

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