juicing with krohns disease?

[deladude]

i have a friend who is having trouble putting on size cuz of his krohns disease, he wants me to get him gear from my guy but i wanna make sure there arent any problems with juicing with krohns

[scotty51312]

They perscribe prednisone most often for chrohns disease which is a steroid but not AAS. While i cant see any medical reason why AAS would cause harm to someone with the disease, patients are often very sensitive to what they eat and on strict diets without enough good aas may slow wasting but not put on mass

[SlimmerMe]

HGH is something be discussed in medical circles for Crohns now so you might do some searching around online about it

I have a good friend who has had Crohns his entire life and he went on a low dose of test and gained about 30 pounds in just a few months however...he did not feel comfortable with all of this weight since he felt bloated and hard to move ( arthritis goes hand in hand with crohns many times)

[moregunsthanroses]

My bro has crohn's and he's about 6'3 165 lbs or so he doesn't work out and has gluten issues as well as other food like potato's.

My dad had it too and had to have some of his small intestine removed from a blockage that wouldn't have happened without crohn's disease.

Something is wrong with my health too, my appetite is low and I have had neurological symptoms, fatigue, some diarrhea etc so who knows what I have, possibly crohn's.

Crohn's can decrease someone's appetite..which could be an issue for getting the full benefit of gear by getting enough calories.

About your question as long your friend isn't too young, has a pretty good base and knows how to eat properly(even force feed himself at times), I say he's okay to cycle.

That's interesting about the HGH for crohn's.

[Bigmax]

It has been shown that Testosterone can cause flare ups in Chrohn's disease patients...also there have been studies on certain meds being prescribed that can and will have drug interactions..also Deca has been used on certain chrohn's patients aswell...HGH in small doses also have been prescribed... will look for stats on this info..

[Bigmax]

First of all if you're taking the medication sulfasalazine, anabolic steroids are listed as causing drug interactions.

Drug Interactions
Consult your doctor for specific advice if you are taking acetaminophen, acetohydroxamic acid, alfentanil, amiodarone, aminophylline, anabolic steroids, androgens, antithyroid drugs, anticoagulants, oral antidiabetics, caffeine, carbamazepine, carmustine, chloramphenicol, chloroquine, oral contraceptives, dantrolene, dapsone, daunorubicin, disulfiram, divalproex, estrogens, etretinate, gold salts, hydroxychloroquine, methotrexate, mercaptopurine, methyldopa, naltrexone, oral contraceptives, phenothiazine, phenytoin, plicamycin, primaquine, procainamide, quinidine, quinine, sulfoxone, or vitamin K.


Next thing, I need some information on your diet and all medications you are taking.

If your diet is in check, producing the least amount of inflamation and can maintain remisions with you're condition there are a few anabolics you can take, including HGH.

Sugar free diet: a new perspective in the treatment of Crohn disease? Randomized, control study] [Article in German]

Brandes JW, Lorenz-Meyer H.

Z Gastroenterol 1981 Jan;19(1):1-12

Since several studies have shown that patients with Crohn's disease have an increased consumption of refined carbohydrates, the influence of a diet excluding refined sugar on the course of the disease was examined. In a randomised control trial, 20 patients (10 patients in each group) with Crohn's disease were treated for an average of 18 months with two different diets. The patients used in the study had a low or middle activity of the disease. Drug treatment was omitted 14 days before commencement of the study. The first group was treated with a low carbohydrate diet (refined sugar excluded), the second group received a high carbohydrate diet (refined sugar-rich). In patients with higher activities of the disease (activity index 100-200 points), the diet which restricted refined sugar was superior to the sugar-rich diet; in 4 out of 5 patients the disease activity decreased and remained so throughout the study-period. In contrast to this 4 patients treated with the sugar-rich diet had to be taken off the treatment because of increasing activities of the disease. In patients with quiescent disease (activity index less than 100 points), neither of the diets showed detrimental effects. The statistical analysis of clinical and laboratory dates noted during the study period resulted in no significant differences between the two groups.

Essential fatty acids in health and chronic disease.

Simopoulos AP. Center for Genetics, Nutrition and Health, Washington, DC 20009 [email protected]

Am J Clin Nutr 1999 Sep;70(3 Suppl):560S-569S

Human beings evolved consuming a diet that contained about equal amounts of n-3 and n-6 essential fatty acids. Over the past 100-150 y there has been an enormous increase in the consumption of n-6 fatty acids due to the increased intake of vegetable oils from corn, sunflower seeds, safflower seeds, cottonseed, and soybeans. Today, in Western diets, the ratio of n-6 to n-3 fatty acids ranges from approximately 20-30:1 instead of the traditional range of 1-2:1. Studies indicate that a high intake of n-6 fatty acids shifts the physiologic state to one that is prothrombotic and proaggregatory, characterized by increases in blood viscosity, vasospasm, and vasoconstriction and decreases in bleeding time. n-3 Fatty acids, however, have antiinflammatory, antithrombotic, antiarrhythmic, hypolipidemic, and vasodilatory properties. These beneficial effects of n-3 fatty acids have been shown in the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes, and, in some patients with renal disease, rheumatoid arthritis, ulcerative colitis, Crohn disease, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. Most of the studies were carried out with fish oils [eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA)]. However, alpha-linolenic acid, found in green leafy vegetables, flaxseed, rapeseed, and walnuts, desaturates and elongates in the human body to EPA and DHA and by itself may have beneficial effects in health and in the control of chronic diseases.


Therefore your diet should be void of refined carbs and you should supplement with CLA(sunflower oil) 12gms throughout the day and GLA(borage oil) 1.440gms preferably before retiring=6x240mg capsules, as well as flax oil and salmon oil capsules 2gms 3x daily.

Here's a read on the benefits of Human Growth Hormone....

A preliminary study of growth hormone therapy for Crohn's disease.

Slonim AE, Bulone L, Damore MB, Goldberg T, Wingertzahn MA, McKinley MJ. Department of Pediatrics, North S University Hospital and New York University School of Medicine, Manhasset 11030, USA. [email protected]

N Engl J Med 2000 Jun 1;342(22):1633-7

BACKGROUND: Crohn's disease is a chronic inflammatory disorder of the bowel. In a preliminary study, we evaluated whether the administration of growth hormone (somatropin) as well as a high-Protein diet would ameliorate the symptoms of the disease.

METHODS: We randomly assigned 37 adults with moderate-to-severe active Crohn's disease to four months of self-administered injections of growth hormone (loading dose, 5 mg per day subcutaneously for one week, followed by a maintenance dose of 1.5 mg per day) or placebo. We instructed all patients to increase their Protein intake to at least 2 g per kilogram of body weight per day. Patients continued to be treated by their usual physicians and to receive other medications for Crohn's disease. The primary end point was the change in scores on the Crohn's Disease Activity Index from base line to month 4. Scores can range from 0 to 600, with higher scores indicating more disease activity.

RESULTS: At base line, the mean (SD) score on the Crohn's Disease Activity Index was somewhat higher among the 19 patients in the growth hormone group than among the 18 patients in the placebo group (287134 vs. 213120, P=0.09). Three patients in the placebo group withdrew before their first follow-up visit and were not included in the data analysis. At four months, the Crohn's Disease Activity Index score had decreased by a mean of 143144 points in the growth hormone group, as compared with a decrease of 1963 points in the placebo group (P=0.004). Side effects in the growth hormone group included edema (in 10 patients) and headache (in 5) and usually resolved within the first month of treatment.

CONCLUSIONS: Our preliminary study suggests that growth hormone may be a beneficial treatment for patients with Crohn's disease.

deca-Durabolin and oxandrolone can be used, however I'll have to venture to the health science library to dig up the abstract for oxandrin .


Generic: Abolon nandrolone Decanoate - Anabolic steroid

deca-DURABOLIN is in a class of drugs called steroids. Dexamethasone reduces swelling and decreases the body's immune response.
deca-DURABOLIN is used to treat many different conditions. It is used to treat endocrine (hormonal) disorders when the body does not produce enough of its own steroids. It is also used to treat many immune and allergic disorders, such as arthritis, lupus, severe psoriasis, severe asthma, ulcerative colitis, and Crohn's disease.
deca-DURABOLIN may also be used for purposes other than those listed in this medication guide.

: Am J Gastroenterol. 1997 Dec;92(12):2330-1. Related Articles, Links

[Far from massive]

I would definatly do a lot of research or wait for Bigmax to get back to you with concrete information.

Damn beat to the post again...

[moregunsthanroses]

Good info bigmax, I'd like to see the links. Flare ups being triggered by testosterone is somewhat worry some, it makes me a little reluctant to cycle in the next few months of the health problems I've had for almost a year now, although at this point no one knows if my health problems are caused by crohn's disease.

[Bigmax]

Good info bigmax, I'd like to see the links. Flare ups being triggered by testosterone is somewhat worry some, it makes me a little reluctant to cycle in the next few months of the health problems I've had for almost a year now, although at this point no one knows if my health problems are caused by crohn's disease.

Brother, i had them stored and looking for the files...i do remember that best bet was to do short cycles of test prop...4 weeks at a time...I will continue to look however..

[Bigmax]

My bro has crohn's and he's about 6'3 165 lbs or so he doesn't work out and has gluten issues as well as other food like potato's.

My dad had it too and had to have some of his small intestine removed from a blockage that wouldn't have happened without crohn's disease.

Something is wrong with my health too, my appetite is low and I have had neurological symptoms, fatigue, some diarrhea etc so who knows what I have, possibly crohn's.

Crohn's can decrease someone's appetite..which could be an issue for getting the full benefit of gear by getting enough calories.

About your question as long your friend isn't too young, has a pretty good base and knows how to eat properly(even force feed himself at times), I say he's okay to cycle.

That's interesting about the HGH for crohn's.

I would def. look into that my bro...especially if its a running thing with your dad having it...looking into it now can make a difference in catching it before it evolves into something greater...you may just have some IBS but you just never know..let us know what you find out.

[boundup]

I have a mild case of IBS which has contributed to appetite issues, fatigue and general moodiness if I feel bloated or have to goto the bathroom and I get a 'false alarm'. While not Crohn's, I have felt a million times better on my TRT than I have without it. Adding to that, running an AI while on TRT has further reduced my issues with bloat.

[moregunsthanroses]

I would def. look into that my bro...especially if its a running thing with your dad having it...looking into it now can make a difference in catching it before it evolves into something greater...you may just have some IBS but you just never know..let us know what you find out.

That's what my brother says that he has both of the genes for crohn's so my mom and dad both have them for him to get two genes. I was having neurological symptoms and my brother mentioned he sometimes has pins and needles in his feet from crohn's disease, I still have it some now but it's not as noticeable as a few months ago. Also my aunt on my mom's side died of MS so there are autoimmune diseases on both sides.

Crohn's disease does seem to make sense given my symptoms and everything.I have an appointment with a gastrointestinal specialist tomorrow so I'll see what they say and let you guys know once I find out anything. My family doc wanted me to get a barium enema before this appointment but they wanted me to not eat for 2 days! Even one day would be pushing it pretty far so I canceled on that.

Yeah it could be IBS although I'm not sure you can get neurological symptoms with IBS, I do have loose stools although I don't have any stomach pain. IBS is a pretty vague term you can get it after having an infection which is what seemed to happen with me. For a while with all of these symptoms I got concerned some I slept with had given me HIV luckily I tested a few months later from the questionable encounter and it came back negative.

It's just weird I don't get hungry much anymore I remember waking up after having a good leg workout the previous day and I'd be starving now it's quite a bit different. It sucks having something wrong with you and you don't know what it exactly is wrong. All I know for sure are my symptoms at this point.

[Meatball1]

An interesting post above by bigmax about the use of Deca and Anvar with Crohns disease, ive just started a course of Anavar and i use Mesalazine- so ill see what happens.

Im my experience Crohns disease affects the body in different ways, ive had it 12 years -these days my symptoms are mostly fatigue and abdominal pain - i wont bore you with the grizzly details of the past LOL,

One thing that has helped me over the years is keeping a highish level of protein in the diet - it helps if you can find a whey powder thats easy on the guts.

The only way to tell unfortunatly is an endoscopy.

Good luck

[deladude]

wow! this blew up! there's some damn good info here guys. thanks for the rsponses i'll definately make him give this a look over.

[Ashop]

His diet will be the biggest issue. Im certain he will have to eat very clean.

[Bigmax]

His diet will be the biggest issue. Im certain he will have to eat very clean.

To say the least bro...but the diet will not be the biggest issue if he decides to use AAS..it will be how they interact with the meds he is using...

[scotty51312]

not to hijack but just out of curiosity BigMax do you have anything in those files about the interaction of AAS and Corticosteroids like Prednisone?

[Bigmax]

I have a vast amount of info regarding many drug interactions from papers i wrote and from research ive done...will look and PM you

[scotty51312]

thanks max much appreciated

[moregunsthanroses]

Not to hijack myself but I saw the gastrointestinal specialist and she decided to order me a colonoscopy due to my symptoms and family history. I'm still planning on doing a cycle in the next 2-3 months.

[Meatball1]

Not to hijack myself but I saw the gastrointestinal specialist and she decided to order me a colonoscopy due to my symptoms and family history. I'm still planning on doing a cycle in the next 2-3 months.

If i was you i would leave the gear alone buddy at least untill you know whats going on, if they medicine you, some of the immune suppresents can take a while to settle things down.
Good luck

[boundup]

Not to hijack myself but I saw the gastrointestinal specialist and she decided to order me a colonoscopy due to my symptoms and family history. I'm still planning on doing a cycle in the next 2-3 months.

Those are fun. I have had three. The stuff they make you drink is nasty. This may be too much information, but here is basically what you have to do.

You get a prescription for the gigantic ass package of weird chemicals and some instruction. You mix these two solutions and you have to drink it in intervals. Mine was two large horse pills I had to take and drink 24 ounces every 5-10 minutes or something. After that, you play the waiting game. At first, I felt fine, and then... well it felt like the devil was coming out of my insides. You basically take one huge dump and then you will, and I mean will, pee poop out your ass for the next hour. It's intense. Don't bother wiping, just dab it off and be a man about it. After about two hours I thought I was done, so I went to take a shower, and I felt like I had to fart. Oh man, I pushed it out and this huge stream of ass water shot across the shower and coated the shower liner, bathtub and tile walls with rancid poo water. At first I was in shock, then I started laughing so hard it happened one more time.

Good luck!

[moregunsthanroses]

haha that's pretty graphic boundup! I'm not looking forward to the day before and the morning of my colonoscopy. I'm going in mid December so it will be known pretty quickly if I have it or not or something else is causing me symptoms.

I don't think I'm bad enough right now to require immunosuppressants if I have crohn's disease. A couple years ago I was having some health problems they gave me prednisone but I only took it for one day and it made me feel really wack so I didn't take it I finally found out what was really wrong with and got that cleared up with some strong antibiotics.

Doctors have three tricks anti depressants, immunosuppressants and antibiotics.