I did not want to do this but, I NEVER received my shipment from Lion / ARR

[Devils Mentor]

I hate to do this because me and my friends been doing business with Lion for about 4 years, and I've even turned on many people to Lion, but I'm not about to get burned!

I orders so products from him last week and I never received them. USPS shows the delivered, but I never got anything; I even went to my PO and they had nothing for me. I contacted ARR and told them the situation and I was basically told to piss off.

I don't care what it is, I want my items! I as the customer should not be the one to get burned! The seller should cover his ass in all aspects because in the end they are responsible if the buyer does not get their items.

This is a real bad way to do business, especially in this kind of market!

I want this FIXED Lion!!! I go to school full time and I don't have money to just throw away like this!

Like I said, I hate to do this, but I am NOT going to let myself get burned!!!

DM

[ghettoboyd]

i understand your pissed and all bro but did you ever think that maybee some douchbag stole your shit?....i mean, its not like thats ever happened to anyone right?...think about it, if the mail said they delivered said packedge then it would of course have to exist so in fact lion and arr kept there end of the deal imho so maybee you should turn a suspicious eye to you bro's and neighbors specialy if its being delivered to a dorm or appartment...just sayin'...

[Devils Mentor]

I live in a house by myself and no one around me knows about any of this. I am building a 700hp Trans Am so I am getting all kind of shit delivered on the reg and in fact, FedEx just left a big ass box of parts on my doorstep while I was at school and that was over $700 in shit so no, no one around me in my neighborhood is jacking my shit.

And if I recall correctly, it is the responsibility of the sell up to the point the item hits my hand.

DM

[fattymcbutterpants]

If you dont have money to throw away, then how are you a full time student and spending that much money working on building that car? I understand you not wanting to lose your money though I am just making a comment.

But anyways check with the post office. Go talk to the post master at the last office the package went to and tell him your problem, because if USPS said it got delivered then it is not Lions fault in any way and would be solely on the post office or on you or whoever took the package off your door step.

[LGM]

I live in a house by myself and no one around me knows about any of this. I am building a 700hp Trans Am so I am getting all kind of shit delivered on the reg and in fact, FedEx just left a big ass box of parts on my doorstep while I was at school and that was over $700 in shit so no, no one around me in my neighborhood is jacking my shit.

And if I recall correctly, it is the responsibility of the sell up to the point the item hits my hand.

DM

Sorry bro, but unless you had the package insured, ARR's responsibility legally ended when it hit the mail carrier's hands. If you want it resolved you're going to have to see if the post office mismarked it or misdelivered. But bitching at Lion at this point is like pissing in the wind.

[Devils Mentor]

If you dont have money to throw away, then how are you a full time student and spending that much money working on building that car? I understand you not wanting to lose your money though I am just making a comment.

But anyways check with the post office. Go talk to the post master at the last office the package went to and tell him your problem, because if USPS said it got delivered then it is not Lions fault in any way and would be solely on the post office or on you or whoever took the package off your door step.

If I am spending MY money on what I WANT then it is not throwing it away, regardless of how much it is, but when I spend $100 on something that I NEVER got, then that is throwing it away!

As for the PO, I did check and they have nothing so who the hell knows at what point it disappeared.

In the end, I did not buy shipping, I bought the goods that Lions sells. It is NOT my responsibility to make sure it gets to me, it is HIS!

DM

Sorry bro, but unless you had the package insured, ARR's responsibility legally ended when it hit the mail carrier's hands. If you want it resolved you're going to have to see if the post office mismarked it or misdelivered. But bitching at Lion at this point is like pissing in the wind.

Bro, it is NOT my responsibility for shipping, it is his! As I stated above, I didn't buy from him shipping, I bought from him good and those goods I did not get!

The seller is responsible for the goods until they are in the buyers hands. The goods belong to the seller until such time and it is the seller that initiates the shipment with the shipping company. As such the transaction to deliver is between the seller and the shipping company. Therefore the burden to insure the shipment is on the seller and not the buyer. This is not an opt-out type of situation simply because of the nature of the transaction.

There are many many things that can go wrong to prevent the buyer from receiving the goods. The burden of proof is all on the seller to prove that they shipped the package. At that point the package can be lost, stolen, delivered to the wrong place and simply left with no signature, or the buyer can even get the package and claim he didn't get it.

So that brings up the next point - what is the downside?

Reputation. When a seller sells something then his whole reputation resides in that sale. He takes money and has both the money and the product. IF the product does not reach the buyer then he should be obligated to give the money back. But then he is out the product as well so where will he get the money for the lost product?

From the shipping company. It's that simple. The seller should cover himself by insuring EVERY PACKAGE ALL THE TIME NO MATTER WHAT. It's a small price to pay and a smart seller factors it into the price he is charging and makes it invisible to the customer.

That way the reputation of the seller remains intact with no argument, no hand wringing, no back and forth with the customer about responsibility.

The seller handles it all with the shipping company, they make restitution - everyone's happy.

Listen, I've been here since 2001; I've bought many of times from Lion and MANY of my friends, that I led to Lion, have bought from him without issue, but regardless of that, I WILL NOT stand by and lose $100, $50, or even $5. He should have put insurance and signature conformation on all his product, regardless of what it is he sells! Until I have the item in my hand, this transaction is NOT complete and that makes him liable for said good and or my money!

In the end I will just go to my bank, but I don't want to do that, hell... I didn't think I would have to with Lions rep, but if this is not resolved, I will have no other recourse. This will only go to tarnish his rep and future sales and that is the last thing I wanted to do. I mean hell, I preach about his shit so it will be sad if that changes, but I will NOT be ripped! As I said, he should have insured and sig con his shipments!


DM

[cyounger100]

i have ordered from them alot and never have had a problem maybe you should pm lion instead o coming on here crying

[Devils Mentor]

i have ordered from them alot and never have had a problem maybe you should pm lion instead o coming on here crying

Seeing how I've been on here for 10 years and you're still a wet noob, I don't need your dick licker schooling me! I've been doing business with Lion on and off for over 4 years and have a ton of peeps that now use his product because of me so I'm not posting this lightly. As as for contacting Lion via privet.... NO SHIT! In other words brainiac, it got me nowhere so I posted here

DM

[cyounger100]

you ever think or mail system has failed before u fckin moron instead of sitting here crying and getting no where find another source then since this guy lion u have used for 10 years waited till now too steal your big whooping 100 fckin dollars u fckin idiot

[*Admin*]

Seeing how I've been on here for 10 years and you're still a wet noob, I don't need your dick licker schooling me! I've been doing business with Lion on and off for over 4 years and have a ton of peeps that now use his product because of me so I'm not posting this lightly. As as for contacting Lion via privet.... NO SHIT! In other words brainiac, it got me nowhere so I posted here

DM

We have a no flame rule here that you should have read in your 10 years here... and you should also know the consquences... and trust me you will...


As you stated it shows delivered... which means you received a conformation number... take that to your post office ask them to look it up all packages are scanned so they have a record of it... Once a product is handed to the postal service it is no longer the seller responsibility as they do not control the postal service... they in good faith are trusting that they will deliver to you... in which they stated they did... in no way would lion know if they did or not... all he sees is that it IS delivered according to conformation... which proves that it was sent and delivered... which your bank can also see if you go there and they dispute the charge with lion once lion gives them the information showing it was delivered... which then makes it your responsibility... Lion has been doing business for many years and very few problems have occurred and when handled correctly they are always worked out to everyones satisfaction... The burden of proof is on you at this point lion says he sent it and the usps states they delivered it... why should we believe you didn't get it... maybe since you are short of cash you decided to just say it never showed up in hopes of getting your cash back... It has happened before wouldn't be the first time someone tried to reverse scam... Or as stated above wouldn't be the first time the postal service left something at the wrong address or someone stole it after it was delivered... and you said another pack came the other day and was there could be that no one happened by and saw it there could have been a fluke that someone stopped by and saw the pack and took it... no one here knows the answers... and least of all lion... he did his part... So check with the post office with your number and ask them where they left it at... someone there hast to know...

Good day!

*admin*

[*Admin*]

you ever think or mail system has failed before u fckin moron instead of sitting here crying and getting no where find another source then since this guy lion u have used for 10 years waited till now too steal your big whooping 100 fckin dollars u fckin idiot

I agree with your content... and also understand your flaming back... lets remember it is against the rules... since he provoked you I will not suspend you...

Respect

*admin*

[Devils Mentor]

you ever think or mail system has failed before u fckin moron instead of sitting here crying and getting no where find another source then since this guy lion u have used for 10 years waited till now too steal your big whooping 100 fckin dollars u fckin idiot

Who said that Lion stole from me? As far as I'm concerned it is the fault of the OP for losing it, but it is also the fault of Lion for not protecting the shipment in the event of these things, it's not my responsibility! I am not buying the shipping service, Lion is, I am buying the product.

And I don't give a shit if it was a $5 item, my money is my money!

DM

[*Admin*]

Who said that Lion stole from me? As far as I'm concerned it is the fault of the OP for losing it, but it is also the fault of Lion for not protecting the shipment in the event of these things, it's not my responsibility! I am not buying the shipping service, Lion is, I am buying the product.

And I don't give a shit if it was a $5 item, my money is my money!

DM

And it states the product was delievered to you! thusly Lion completed his transaction with you! Lion can not be responsible for you not being there to get it when it was delievered... and then again how do we know you are not lying to gain free products... just don't see Lion taking a measly 100 bucks... would make no sense at all...

[Devils Mentor]

We have a no flame rule here that you should have read in your 10 years here... and you should also know the consquences... and trust me you will...

Well I don't need some Noob prick telling me not to cry over something, then try to school me on taking this privet!


As you stated it shows delivered... which means you received a conformation number... take that to your post office ask them to look it up all packages are scanned so they have a record of it... Once a product is handed to the postal service it is no longer the seller responsibility as they do not control the postal service...
NO you are WRONG! Untill the item gets into the hands of the buyer THEN and ONLY THEN is the transaction complete! I am not in any arrangement with the OP, the seller is, it has NOTHING to do with the Buyer. As the buyer, you are not buying the services of the PO, the seller is so that is between he and the PO.


they in good faith are trusting that they will deliver to you... in which they stated they did... in no way would lion know if they did or not... all he sees is that it IS delivered according to conformation... which proves that it was sent and delivered... which your bank can also see if you go there and they dispute the charge with lion once lion gives them the information showing it was delivered...

Delivered and RECEIVED are 2 different thing, look it up! It may have been delivered, but it was NEVER RECEIVED!

which then makes it your responsibility...

How does shipping make it my responsibility when I had NOTHING to do with it!? Shipping was a contract between the seller and the PO, NOT me and the PO. I have NOTHING to do with the shipping!

Lion has been doing business for many years and very few problems have occurred and when handled correctly they are always worked out to everyones satisfaction...

I tried to deal with him via email and he basically told me too bad, so yeah, I am going to bring it to an open forum!


The burden of proof is on you at this point lion says he sent it and the usps states they delivered it...

No it is not my burden of proof! It is his as the seller that his buyer has received their good, not that the good were delivered.

why should we believe you didn't get it... maybe since you are short of cash you decided to just say it never showed up in hopes of getting your cash back...

Who said I am short of cash!? I spend my money the way I want not the way you dictate! Tomorrow I am buying a $500 cam for my 425 stroker that I paid $15K for so where am I short on cash!? No what I SAID was... I DON'T like to be burned!!! I don't give a shit if it is $5 it is MY money!

It has happened before wouldn't be the first time someone tried to reverse scam...

You better watch your words! Defamation is a nasty thing!


Or as stated above wouldn't be the first time the postal service left something at the wrong address or someone stole it after it was delivered... and you said another pack came the other day and was there could be that no one happened by and saw it there could have been a fluke that someone stopped by and saw the pack and took it... no one here knows the answers... and least of all lion... he did his part... So check with the post office with your number and ask them where they left it at... someone there hast to know...

This past month, I have probably had $5K worth of shit set at my door and they have all made it to me safe and sound. lol, yeah I'm just going to one day, after 10 ****ing years of being here, start scamming Lion, get ****ing real! And NO Lion did not do his part...! Do I have my Items I paid for!!!??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! And i have already checked with my PO and they have nothing there! What...? You think I would not bother checking before I call Lion out on the board... Get ****ing real!?



Good day!

*admin*

And Good Day to you!

DM
DM

[Devils Mentor]

And it states the product was delievered to you! thusly Lion completed his transaction with you! Lion can not be responsible for you not being there to get it when it was delievered... and then again how do we know you are not lying to gain free products... just don't see Lion taking a measly 100 bucks... would make no sense at all...

It may have been delivered, but it was NOT RECEIVED!!! Two different thing entirely! Do I have it in my hands NO, so the transaction WAS NOT COMPLETED! Of course Lion cannot be responsible if I was home or not, that is a moot point, but he should have placed insurance and had sig con on the package. Granted, you don't know if I am lying or not, but hey Einstein, why the HELL would I come on here after 10 ****ing years and run a bullshit scam for $100. If that were the case I would have jacked my bill up to $1000 to make it worth while

Listen, you guys need to stop injecting into the vein... When did I say that Lion was "taking" my $100...!? Hell, I didn't even blame him, shit happens, but I am not going to sit by and lose $100; I don't give a shit how well all my past dealing have been!

DM

[Devils Mentor]

Listen, since it is obvious that as long as everything goes right, Lion will look all shinny... Hell, as long as shit doesn't smell like shit, then no one will mind it... but as soon as something goes wrong, he won't do right by you; I got it! I will let my bank deal with it and what happens happens. But believe me, though I never had ill feeling towards Lion regarding this, until he blew me off, I will let everyone know how he deals with this kind of shit.

DM

[*Admin*]

Sad to say your time here has EXPIRED!

Good Day!

*admin*

[fattymcbutterpants]

Lion gives you a tracking number, track it on their website and see the last departed location. Go to that office and tell them the problem. Then tell them that you never received the package and maybe then they will talk to your delivery man. Possibly finding out if he took it to the wrong address which does happen alot. And you keep saying you didnt pay for shipping and that Lion did but technically speaking you pay the shipping charge so you paid for it. As long as the package was taken to the post office and sent out then in no way shape or form is it the responsibility of the sender. This responsibility falls solely on the Post Office or YOU so don't keep trying to throw it on the company.

Im not trying to be a dick towards you but for real man go raise hell at the post office without getting arrested of course and check with neighbors to be sure it wasnt accidentally delivered to their house, Im sure it was just a mishap

[bruary17]

this thread is freaking epic... this cat is PI$$ED!!!

[*Admin*]

We have a no flame rule here that you should have read in your 10 years here... and you should also know the consquences... and trust me you will...

Well I don't need some Noob prick telling me not to cry over something, then try to school me on taking this privet!


Looks like the only noob prick here is you! the guy was telling you what you didn't want to hear thusly you got pist end of story... however you no longer haft to worry about that...

As you stated it shows delivered... which means you received a conformation number... take that to your post office ask them to look it up all packages are scanned so they have a record of it... Once a product is handed to the postal service it is no longer the seller responsibility as they do not control the postal service...

NO you are WRONG! Until the item gets into the hands of the buyer THEN and ONLY THEN is the transaction complete! I am not in any arrangement with the OP, the seller is, it has NOTHING to do with the Buyer. As the buyer, you are not buying the services of the PO, the seller is so that is between he and the PO.

Sorry you are wrong... once it states delivered it is yours... unless it went to a wrong address in which the PO would know as long as you asked them and gave them the tracking as they scan all items out going and have the destination and delivery location.

they in good faith are trusting that they will deliver to you... in which they stated they did... in no way would lion know if they did or not... all he sees is that it IS delivered according to conformation... which proves that it was sent and delivered... which your bank can also see if you go there and they dispute the charge with lion once lion gives them the information showing it was delivered...

Delivered and RECEIVED are 2 different thing, look it up! It may have been delivered, but it was NEVER RECEIVED!

Delivered and received do have diverse meanings however delivered is all that either can assure... you not being there allows for it to be stolen or damaged... so how does that make it Lions place to replace and lose money because you were negligent in not being home when the package arrived as stated by the Post Office.

which then makes it your responsibility...

How does shipping make it my responsibility when I had NOTHING to do with it!? Shipping was a contract between the seller and the PO, NOT me and the PO. I have NOTHING to do with the shipping!

Most times you the buyer pays for the shipping unless a special is run and no shipping charges are paid... you should have asked for delivery conformation and paid for it as well... because it was your choice to have it delivered that way if you wanted... Lion ships every day with no problems on delivery... PLUS the contract between the PO and Lion was fulfilled... the PO states delievered... they do not stand there and wait for you to come home and take possession that would be stupid.

Lion has been doing business for many years and very few problems have occurred and when handled correctly they are always worked out to everyones satisfaction...

I tried to deal with him via email and he basically told me too bad, so yeah, I am going to bring it to an open forum!

If you dealt with him in the same rude manner you have here I completely understand why he would have said to bad... plus the fact that it had been delivered.

The burden of proof is on you at this point lion says he sent it and the USPS states they delivered it...

No it is not my burden of proof! It is his as the seller that his buyer has received their good, not that the good were delivered.

The goods were delivered! PO even stated so

why should we believe you didn't get it... maybe since you are short of cash you decided to just say it never showed up in hopes of getting your cash back...


Who said I am short of cash!? I spend my money the way I want not the way you dictate! Tomorrow I am buying a $500 cam for my 425 stroker that I paid $15K for so where am I short on cash!? No what I SAID was... I DON'T like to be burned!!! I don't give a shit if it is $5 it is MY money!

You indicated that you didn't have money as you are a student --->I go to school full time and I don't have money to just throw away like this!

It has happened before wouldn't be the first time someone tried to reverse scam...

You better watch your words! Defamation is a nasty thing!

I watch every word as I type them...LOL no defamation here at all stating a FACT! it has indeed happened before...

Or as stated above wouldn't be the first time the postal service left something at the wrong address or someone stole it after it was delivered... and you said another pack came the other day and was there could be that no one happened by and saw it there could have been a fluke that someone stopped by and saw the pack and took it... no one here knows the answers... and least of all lion... he did his part... So check with the post office with your number and ask them where they left it at... someone there hast to know...

This past month, I have probably had $5K worth of shit set at my door and they have all made it to me safe and sound. lol, yeah I'm just going to one day, after 10 ****ing years of being here, start scamming Lion, get ****ing real! And NO Lion did not do his part...! Do I have my Items I paid for!!!??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!! And i have already checked with my PO and they have nothing there! What...? You think I would not bother checking before I call Lion out on the board... Get ****ing real!?

So you registered 10 years ago big deal we have noobs as you put it that have more experience and knowledge than you will ever have and manners to boot... I looked over your posts and not one that I could find that will make us miss you being here... you have not earned respect here end of story.


Good day!

*admin*

And Good Day to you!

DM
DM


And thank you my day got much better!

*admin*

[spywizard]

I wish he was still here, he can always challenge the charge..

then lion would show the visa the confirmation from the post office and the visa would tell him to suck it..

[*Admin*]

I wish he was still here, he can always challenge the charge..

then lion would show the visa the confirmation from the post office and the visa would tell him to suck it..

Exactly!

[muscle_dysmorphia]

In case the OP comes back to check this thread as a visitor:

Call your credit-card company (VISA) file a formal complaint with the company, and order a halt in payment.

You sent money via credit-card, and were supposed to be sent an item. If it wasn't delivered then that's still apart of the transference.

Report it as fraudulent activity on there behalf - you would be surprised at the problems this can cause online companies. Trust me.

PS i'm LOL'ing at the need for "package insurance"

[*Admin*]

In case the OP comes back to check this thread as a visitor:

Call your credit-card company (VISA) file a formal complaint with the company, and order a halt in payment.

You sent money via credit-card, and were supposed to be sent an item. If it wasn't delivered then that's still apart of the transference.

Report it as fraudulent activity on there behalf - you would be surprised at the problems this can cause online companies. Trust me.

PS i'm LOL'ing at the need for "package insurance"

I agree with what you are stating if the company had not sent out the package... HOWEVER in this case: The package was delivered according to the Post Office... which is what the sender paid them to do was deliver the package... which is what would be disputed if he calls his credit card company and then it will be proven to have been delivered according to the tracking number and the PO...

[stevey_6t9]

I wouldn't entirely rely on the tracking system by USPS, my recent order stated for one whole month it had been delivered...however once i rang my post office it was still held up in customs for a whole month... its best to file a complaint and let your postal service look into it, if they check the postmans book log and it has been delivered according to him, then well who must consider the fact that someone has stolen it.

[toothache]

I've never had a problem with getting my stuff. One time usps gave it to my neighbor and it showed delivered, however, the neighbor walked over and gave it to me the next day.

[bruary17]

I ate popcorn and wore 3-D glasses while reading this thread.

[CMB]

Epic thread, this made me LOL at how mad he is.

The time he spent pissed off over this he could have made the money back.

And besides, all evidence points to the package being delivered. So one person just saying "I didn't get my stuff" looks really shakey to me.

(P.S, I still and always will love you lion .

[MrGreen]

In case the OP comes back to check this thread as a visitor:

Call your credit-card company (VISA) file a formal complaint with the company, and order a halt in payment.

You sent money via credit-card, and were supposed to be sent an item. If it wasn't delivered then that's still apart of the transference.

Report it as fraudulent activity on there behalf - you would be surprised at the problems this can cause online companies. Trust me.

PS i'm LOL'ing at the need for "package insurance"

I agree with what you are stating if the company had not sent out the package... HOWEVER in this case: The package was delivered according to the Post Office... which is what the sender paid them to do was deliver the package... which is what would be disputed if he calls his credit card company and then it will be proven to have been delivered according to the tracking number and the PO...

exactly his package was DELIVERED no credit card company will reverse the charge with Lion providing proof of this. Not even american express and they will battle tooth and nail for the customer but this is a bucket of fail for the "buyer"

[bigpapabuff]

I have never had any delivery probs with ar-r, they have good customer service.

[Sicko]

yeh, that is pretty much a perfect example of how NOT to get something taken care of...LMFAO...sorry DM I really can sympathies with your situation,but that was totally the wrong approach to the problem..IMO...

[frawnz]

I can only imagine how his email to AR-R read...

[Times Roman]

my maildude aint the brightest. looks like a left over from a grateful dead concert. not that i'm saying there's anything wrong with that. But my neighbor occassionally gets my mail, and I theres. they even left the community mbox open once, so I took a pic and sent it to the post master.... slightly illegal and all that

I was going to insert a pic of the open mbox, but file size too large. but you get my point.

I have a shirt that says "sh1t happens".

get it?