teen usage of steroids !

[benbean77]

ok basically im a 20 year old that works out in the gym and have been for the last 2 years, and to be honest have come along way from day 1.
eat/sleep/train. getting in a good 5-6 meals a day, plenty of protein etc etc.
gaining that 1lb of puny muscle a month if im lucky now(hardgainer). then you look around at the other blokes in the gym abit older and using gear and gaining maybe 8-9 lb muscle a month and you think to yourself whers all these horrible side effects right ??
why would i want to train soo hard have religeous dieting 24/7 and get small results when i could get on gear and get brilliant results, i know it sound impatiant but then again i think most people my age are.
im sure everyones had a 20 year old mate does a cycle seems to be 100%, look at arny started taking at 16 and looks good to me right ?
is one of the big problems everyone has of early 20 year olds taking roids is lack of expirience ? and as for stunted bown growth they say its never been proven.
and for the other sides it could happen at all ages. i know some males still grow up till their 25 but if your done growing height wise and adding that extra muscle is beggining to become a real struggle and your sereous about what you do then steroids seem to be the answer in my opinion. i know it sounds wrong but its just the way i seem to be thinking at the moment.

[MBMETC]

It has more to do with than just bone growth, it has to do with an underdeveloped hpta (endocrine system) read up on that and you'll understand

[benbean77]

ive read it and the biggest fear with that is having "limp dick" as im sure it is for most but then i have been told getting loss of libido can happen at any age when using roids, and age doest come into it that much.

[MBMETC]

It's more of your bodies ability to recover, a compromised endocrine system may not recover fully and you could wind up on trt at 22

[stpete]

Staying healthy and working out is a lifestyle. You either thoroughly enjoy it and will continue to do it for the rest of your life regardless of whether you're on juice or not. Secondly, i'd like to see these guys that are adding 8lbs. of muscle a month.
Arnold and the rest of those guys didn't have the knowledge about steroids like we do now. Yes, he looks good, but if i'm not mistaken hasn't he had a quadruple bypass? And who's to say it wasn't steroid induced?
IMO you need to stay away from juice for at least 5 years as it could possibly screw your HPTA up as mentioned above. How would you like to be on HRT for the rest of your life? I don't imagine it would be much fun. I know i wouldn't like it cause i like to be in control. Not the drugs dictating to me....Just my .02

[terraj]

Bro,

One pound a month is good. Keep building base, the one pound of real muscle you bust your arse for now will be easy to keep for many many years.

If you like....post your diet and workout, we have a few guys on this forum that might be able to aid you in your quest. You can PM me if you want.

[FirstTimeRage]

It's more of your bodies ability to recover, a compromised endocrine system may not recover fully and you could wind up on trt at 22

hey thats not so bad! im on trt and im 22

I feel much better then before. 250 mg test a week is great.

not to mention I wont lose gains after cycles...

[terraj]

hey thats not so bad! im on trt and im 22

I feel much better then before. 250 mg test a week is great.

not to mention I wont lose gains after cycles...

Great comments buddy....

Why are you on TRT?

[FirstTimeRage]

Low test levels sir.

[grumpee]

Sure been seeing more and more guys in their early 20's on TRT. Wonder if it's caused by the average american diet or enviromental or genetics ?

[terraj]

Low test levels sir.

So you would not try to hurt your HPTA right? By starting to early, as Stpete commented....

Will you be able have kids in the furture?

[terraj]

Sure been seeing more and more guys in their early 20's on TRT. Wonder if it's caused by the average american diet or enviromental or genetics ?

No shit huh, it's shocking.

[Far from massive]

Sure been seeing more and more guys in their early 20's on TRT. Wonder if it's caused by the average american diet or enviromental or genetics ?

Or teen usage of gear and otc supplements? Then there is all the hormones in beef and a sedintary lifestyle,constant use of antibiotics and germ killing soap so the immune system are as prepared for a fight as a schoolgirl, and lets not forget how many are smoking weed from adolescence.. And of course their is soy, tea tree shampoo, and all that other crap screwing with estro, the kids are doomed..ohh well we are rapidly overpopulating the planet maybe all this early TRT is all part of the masterplan :-)

[bbh90]

interesting thread id like to hear more about the men in their 20's ending up on trt? personally i think my test levels are good and im in my 20's although iv been a health nut all my life and have loved working out since i was in 6th grade although i did all push ups pull ups and running until i was in 8th grade and thats when i started weight training and try to always buy organic fruits and veggies as well as eggs sometimes the meat is just too expensive to buy organically

but i do think that the shit they put in foods now as well as the many other things that were mentioned and one that wasnt mentioned all the plastics make a big impact and could be a huge contributor to the early low hormonal levels

although at the same time i do plan to cycle before im 25 not that i think that that makes it the right choice i just think its my choice i dont think anyone can tell you that any age is going to be the appropriate age but i think 25 is a pretty safe bet that your hormonally balanced but at the same time with all the shit we take in everyday who the hell knows when your really hormonally balanced but i can almost guarentee that tons of men have higher than normal estrogen levels due to all these different factors and especially the plastics every time your food or water is in plastic its just absorbing estrogens that **** up your hormonal system so who really knows whats causing the most problems again im not trying to justify any use before 25 just saying that when were talking about hormonal problems in younger men rising i think theres a lot of things that go into that and that most of those answers wont be revealed till we are much older

for example not so long ago when canned food was new to the market that was considered what rich people ate and the best food and all the poorer people would have to go to the farmers market to buy their food in this day we know that about as far from the truth as possible and its actually reverse same goes for smoking we never new it was bad till everyone was getting cancer

point is we can speculate and our speculations probably hold some water but no one knows what it really is yet and only time will tell
but this is more along the lines of the bad wrap steroids get but 90% of people taking doctor perscribed drugs dont know wtf they are taking or how it effects their body and personally i think many doctors have changed and are less about health and more about money so they prescribe people the drugs they get more money for

idk this is somewhat of a rant but it baffles me how quickly drugs such as adderal and pain killers or promethazine are handed out and to kids very often by doctors when for one we dont know the long term effects of some of these especially adderal and there are many many problems arising form these but its hardly talked about at least in relation to other things of similar nature

[thegodfather]

Why dont you guys try quoting some peer reviewed medical journals which show perminant impairment of HPTA function following the use and cessation of exogenous hormones? The most likely reason, is that such evidence does not exist. In fact, most research has revealed that unless you are diagnosed as hypogonadal or have a pituitary tumor of some sort, the use of exogenous hormones does not cause the perminant shut down of the HPTA. Most of the nonsense on the boards about the HPTA being damaged by using AAS before "insert random age here" (21,25,etc, and so on) is just that, nonsense. Whatever the predominant board consensus is about the proper time to use AAS seems to dictate the age that people think using exogenous hormones can result in the perminant damage to the HPTA.

The reality is, there is no clinical evidence of such claims, and such claims are made on this board repeatedly and without any scientific backing or evidence what so ever. It's fine to advise against the use of AAS at a young age simply because a person is capable of significant gains without the use of AAS, and at that age, the risks may outweigh the benefits. But please, do not continue to parrot information from one user to another, one post to another, based on anecdotal bullshit and information not based in legitimate scientific theory but basically in heresay and anecdotes.

[benbean77]

another question
when someone does a cycle and comes off and suffer with low libido & sex drive etc is that purelly to do with lower natural Test levels?
if you unfortunatlly get that problem after a cycle is that when u get put on trt by ur doctor?
and what dosage is that normally at.
cheers

[delta1111]

Why dont you guys try quoting some peer reviewed medical journals which show perminant impairment of HPTA function following the use and cessation of exogenous hormones? The most likely reason, is that such evidence does not exist. In fact, most research has revealed that unless you are diagnosed as hypogonadal or have a pituitary tumor of some sort, the use of exogenous hormones does not cause the perminant shut down of the HPTA. Most of the nonsense on the boards about the HPTA being damaged by using AAS before "insert random age here" (21,25,etc, and so on) is just that, nonsense. Whatever the predominant board consensus is about the proper time to use AAS seems to dictate the age that people think using exogenous hormones can result in the perminant damage to the HPTA.

The reality is, there is no clinical evidence of such claims, and such claims are made on this board repeatedly and without any scientific backing or evidence what so ever. It's fine to advise against the use of AAS at a young age simply because a person is capable of significant gains without the use of AAS, and at that age, the risks may outweigh the benefits. But please, do not continue to parrot information from one user to another, one post to another, based on anecdotal bullshit and information not based in legitimate scientific theory but basically in heresay and anecdotes.

Excellent post and very well said.

I think it's very important that when making statements, that could ultimately sway an important decision being made someone, then it should be made clear to the reader if the writer is 100% sure in what he or she is quoting.

Whenever I contribute to a thread, I always try to write based on personal experience and if i'm not sure about something then I will either say so or not comment.

I think it would be so much better if more people had your attitude regarding giving factual advise as with all the b/s around we have to read many post to try to get an idea of which are fact and which are b/s.

[marcus300]

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I give advice to the newbies.

[delta1111]

Staying healthy and working out is a lifestyle. You either thoroughly enjoy it and will continue to do it for the rest of your life regardless of whether you're on juice or not. Secondly, i'd like to see these guys that are adding 8lbs. of muscle a month.
Arnold and the rest of those guys didn't have the knowledge about steroids like we do now. Yes, he looks good, but if i'm not mistaken hasn't he had a quadruple bypass? And who's to say it wasn't steroid induced?
IMO you need to stay away from juice for at least 5 years as it could possibly screw your HPTA up as mentioned above. How would you like to be on HRT for the rest of your life? I don't imagine it would be much fun. I know i wouldn't like it cause i like to be in control. Not the drugs dictating to me....Just my .02

Arnolds heart condition was due to a genetic condition that was passed down to him hereditary (or at least thats what I read somewhere).

[AlphaMaleDawg]

I got two blood tests when I was 24 (last year) and my test levels came to 321 and 313 those two times. I have no idea as to why they were so low considering I had never done any PHs or AAS at the time. The only thing I could think of was a low fat diet while cutting? Although I doubt it would have that drastic of an effect. Honestly it was probably bad luck. Of course the stupid doctors said it was normal range (idiotic range)

[AlphaMaleDawg]

Why dont you guys try quoting some peer reviewed medical journals which show perminant impairment of HPTA function following the use and cessation of exogenous hormones? The most likely reason, is that such evidence does not exist. In fact, most research has revealed that unless you are diagnosed as hypogonadal or have a pituitary tumor of some sort, the use of exogenous hormones does not cause the perminant shut down of the HPTA. Most of the nonsense on the boards about the HPTA being damaged by using AAS before "insert random age here" (21,25,etc, and so on) is just that, nonsense. Whatever the predominant board consensus is about the proper time to use AAS seems to dictate the age that people think using exogenous hormones can result in the perminant damage to the HPTA.

The reality is, there is no clinical evidence of such claims, and such claims are made on this board repeatedly and without any scientific backing or evidence what so ever. It's fine to advise against the use of AAS at a young age simply because a person is capable of significant gains without the use of AAS, and at that age, the risks may outweigh the benefits. But please, do not continue to parrot information from one user to another, one post to another, based on anecdotal bullshit and information not based in legitimate scientific theory but basically in heresay and anecdotes.

x2

not advocating underage use, but I do think 25 is a fabricated age a couple of guys decided to make up and it kind of stuck from forum to forum. Who know really? It could be 21, 22, hell it could even be 27. I have not seen any scientific evidence stating the HPTA stops developing at the age of 25

[terraj]

Why dont you guys try quoting some peer reviewed medical journals which show perminant impairment of HPTA function following the use and cessation of exogenous hormones? The most likely reason, is that such evidence does not exist. In fact, most research has revealed that unless you are diagnosed as hypogonadal or have a pituitary tumor of some sort, the use of exogenous hormones does not cause the perminant shut down of the HPTA. Most of the nonsense on the boards about the HPTA being damaged by using AAS before "insert random age here" (21,25,etc, and so on) is just that, nonsense. Whatever the predominant board consensus is about the proper time to use AAS seems to dictate the age that people think using exogenous hormones can result in the perminant damage to the HPTA.

The reality is, there is no clinical evidence of such claims, and such claims are made on this board repeatedly and without any scientific backing or evidence what so ever. It's fine to advise against the use of AAS at a young age simply because a person is capable of significant gains without the use of AAS, and at that age, the risks may outweigh the benefits. But please, do not continue to parrot information from one user to another, one post to another, based on anecdotal bullshit and information not based in legitimate scientific theory but basically in heresay and anecdotes.

Damnation...I have looked and you are right, not a study to be found. I was wrong, get to pinning kiddy.