HCG help

[jman85]

So I've been cruising on test e for a over a year now, and I was planning on doing a self-TRT plan for the rest of my life, but I've sort of plateaued in my results and I've been reading that my receptors are saturated and need a break from exogeneous compounds. I decided to get some HCG and try to cycle off for a few months. I'm in the middle of a test/tren/winny 6 week cycle (2nd week in) and I was trying to figure out the best way to time the HCG and dosages needed.

I started over a year ago with:
Test e 500mg/ew for 12 weeks
D-bol 40mg/ed for first 4 weeks

...cruise on test e 300-400mg/ew...

Test e 600mg/ew for 8 weeks
Anadrol 50mg/ed for first 4 weeks
Tren a 75mg/eod for first 6 weeks

...cruise on test e 300-400mg/ew...

Test e 700mg/ew for 12 weeks
D-bol 40mg/ed for first 4 weeks
Tren a 50mg/ed for 6 weeks after D-bol (I am 2 weeks into this)
Winny 50mg/ed for 6 weeks after D-bol (I am 2 weeks into this)

Everyone seems to have different opinions on HCG for PCT, but since my HPTA is probably shut down pretty hard right now, I'm thinking I would run HCG the last 3 weeks + 1 extra week (5000IU first week, 2000IU second and third weeks, 1000IU the first week completely off of Test e). I would follow through with a nolva/clomid (and possibly arimidex) PCT for a month immediately after HCG. I have 3-5000IU HCG kits with 25 slin pins, so I think I should be set with everything I need. Does anyone have any opinions on this plan?

[jeallybean78]

Wow, after a year i would think your HPTA is more than shut down probally fried. I'm sure some of the guys on here can help you get fixed up. What kinda gains did you get from a year long cycle.

[jman85]

Yeah, I figured I'm pretty shut down. Gains were decent; first two were obviously bulkers, now I'm on a cutter. I gained about 15lbs of solid muscle while losing about 3%BF so I'm sitting on about 195lbs at 11-12%BF. Tremendous change in overall physique, although I wasn't too terrible when I started. I did 2 cycles prior to this back in 05/06, but I lost the majority of the gains from not eating and training properly over the years. Any vets care to help out with the HCG?

[JohnnyVegas]

"Self-administered TRT" sounds like an oxymoron. It isn't just constantly taking low dosage steroids, it is getting your levels right. Go see a doctor and find out what your levels are, and whether you should be on TRT...and what dose. Cruising on 300mg - 400mg a week is still double what most TRT users take.

As far as HCG, I am sure you testicles could use some help. Do you have atrophy?

[jman85]

I've had blood tests done in 2005, unrelated to steroid use, and it did show naturally low test levels (based on their "normal" levels) but at the time I couldn't afford getting gear legally on a script, so I homebrewed from powders. My testes aren't significantly smaller, but they probably are smaller than the should be (i.e. my babies are still there). I still plan on cycling after and probably the rest of my life, I'm just looking to take a few month break and give my body time to enjoy no compounds.

[jman85]

Anyone???

[jman85]

Can anyone here help?

[JohnnyVegas]

I would get blood work done and see where you are. That is the only way to know what is going on.

[Far from massive]

I don't know how "happy" you will be coming off after a year of cruising and blasting? Maybe some of the more experienced members who have been there of have known people who have been there can chime in and tell you what to expect. I would speculate since you are doing a P'TRT'T not a PCT you would need a lot longer than a month to restore any kind of function to your HPTA, my guess would be that running a

Torem 60mg ed
Tamox 20mg ed

for 8 weeks with the dosage of the torem and tamox doubled for the first week would be your best bet to help you recover some function. I really think the first month will just be enough to get you bodies attention and two will be required to see any serious recovery. I would not try any kind of high dose therapy to shorten this process as you will likely increase sides not results, its gonna take time.

Oh and as Johnny Vegas said bloodwork would be a great idea both before to see where you are and after to gauge changes.

Just my 2 cents,

FFM

[layeazy]

Wasn't the best idea to be using that much for that length of time. There may be a chance you might not fully recover and if your born in 85 you still really young