WEEKS: 8 vs 12.........

[Flier]

Most of you advocate a 10-12 week cycle (E,C or whatever)
With some saying less than 10 is a waste.

What do say about Ronnie Rowland´s sticky:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t-to-read-this!

Ronny say:

"You can run test enanthate for 12 weeks or longer but at the 8 week point you would need to increase the dosages to continue making noticeable gains. It's not well understood as to why steroid cycles stop working well after 8 weeks but according to William Llewelln in his book ANABOLICS 9TH EDITION-" it's believed to be related to the new metabolic limits placed on muscle cells under the influece of a certain dosage of steroids, not insensitivity to the AAS. Classic downregulation does not occur with these drugs and even if it did, rotating steroids would not prevent it".

[PK-V]

8 weeks if using a short ester not if I was using E/C

you can tamper the dosage as you see how you react

15 wks is the sweet spot for me

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

I would also think a longer cycle (ie 16 weeks) would make more sense if you are cutting. You can continue shedding fat while maintaining your lean mass.

[songdog]

Ronnie talks about this in his section it a sticky.Great read try it bro.

[Flier]

Well, that´s what I did.
And before reading the sticky, my impression was that a E or C cycle should run for at least 10 weeks, pref 12.
But Ronnie says that there is no need to run past 8, unless we up the dosage.
I will start my cycle in 4 weeks, and right now I think I will run 420 mgs for 12 weeks.
But I keep changing my mind on this for each thread I read on the subject, so who knows what I will end up with.
If I was this indecisive at my job, people would die...lol

[D7M]

10-12 weeks if perfect for a longer ester like enth or cyp.

Save the advanced AAS techniques (Ronnie's STS) for down the road.

[Flier]

D7M...I have to grab the opportunity while u are here..

What do u think about doing Chest twice per week, and the rest once, while on, because I need the chest to grow more due to proportions?
Here is the thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ning....please.

[D7M]

D7M...I have to grab the opportunity while u are here..

What do u think about doing Chest twice per week, and the rest once, while on, because I need the chest to grow more due to proportions?
Here is the thread:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ning....please.

Chest is still a relatively small body part, I personally wouldn't hit it twice a week.

Only body part I ever had success with 2x/wk was legs.

You could experiment and see what works for you, or it could just be as simple as changing up the routine a bit. I noticed you didn't have weighted dips for chest, might want to think about adding them as well.

[Flier]

ok...thanks for the input...
I´ve had great success working 1 bodypart per day....6 days Gym, 1 day rest.
Also mentally easy when u know u´re just going to the gym to hit Shoulders or Biceps.
I´ll see if I can rework my chest day, and stick with once/week like I have been doing.
I´ve been considering to skip the Bench and start the following routine :
30 degree incline Smith, 15 degree incline dumbells, 15 degree decline machine, fly machine.
I hear your Dip....but a 20 year old shoulder injury prevents me from certain movements/angles.