Help with Prop/Deca Cycle

[DrawDown]

First things first, my stats are

28 (be 29 July 8)
6'3" 230lb
BF is around 12%
Been lifting solid for 6 years
Done numerous pro hormone cycles
Did a Test E/Deca Cycle in 2009 with good results
Diet is pretty good and always based around bulking.

I would have preferred Test E and deca again but prop is all I could get so its going to have to work. The prop is dosed at 200mg/ml and the deca is 300mg/ml. Enough on hand and can always get more if needed. I know Prop is a short ester needing to be pinned ed or eod and deca a long. However, to keep things simple, im going to split my deca up and pin it with the prop. My thoughts are to pin both Mon/Wed/Fri which will give an extra day (sunday) before I pin again. I plan on dosing them both at 450mg/week (.75cc of prop and .5cc of deca per shot). Im going to run the prop about 9 weeks and the deca about 7 that way I can start my pct a few days after my last prop shot. Im no professional, so if you have a suggestion or idea, please share it. Thanks

[Dr Pepper]

Looks good to me, better if u could keep pinning the prop EOD but Upto you. What's the PCT look like?

[higgy]

Well 9 weeks is a perfect length for test prop, but 7 weeks is way too short of a time period. You need to run the deca for at least 12 weeks. Which means pinning alot more prop than expected.
Maybe start the prop 2 or 3 weeks after you start the deca, but i'd wait to hear back from other experienced members.
Good luck and welcome to our board.

[DrawDown]

Going to run tamox 20mg/ed for 4 weeks. Same thing ive done on all my prohormone cycles. I got a little gyno during my last test e/deca cycle so if I do again im going to run tamox 10mg/ed to control estrogen.

[MBMETC]

Prop and deca is a tough cycle because of the length of time deca needs to be run as mentioned above, you can pin prop eod and the deca 2x pw I would not run the deca less than 10 weeks and your test needs to be run 2 weeks longer than deca but since your using prop I would run the test 2.5 weeks longer and start pct 3 days after last prop pin. Pick up an ai from the board sponsor AR-R and use that to control estrogen not tamoxifin.
What is your planned pct?

[DrawDown]

Going to run tamox 20mg/ed for 4 weeks. Anything else you think I should add? Thanks for the help.

[THE-DET-OAK]

Like posted above deca needs to be ran 12 weeks. if you have to do this cycle with prop and deca I would do it like:

1-16 prop .7cc EOD this will be 140mgx3.5= 490mg per week
1-12 deca .4cc EOD this will be 120mgx3.5= 420mg per week.

what are you going to do for PCT? I suggest running HCG through the cycle, and blasting it 2 weeks before SERM starts.

20mg of nolva is not enough of a PCT, especially for a cycle with a progestin in it.

[MACHINE5150]

Like posted above deca needs to be ran 12 weeks. if you have to do this cycle with prop and deca I would do it like:

1-16 prop .7cc EOD this will be 140mgx3.5= 490mg per week
1-12 deca .4cc EOD this will be 120mgx3.5= 420mg per week.

what are you going to do for PCT? I suggest running HCG through the cycle, and blasting it 2 weeks before SERM starts.

20mg of nolva is not enough of a PCT, especially for a cycle with a progestin in it.

Very well said Oak... great advice.. and i recomend a stronger PCT as well

[MBMETC]

Like posted above deca needs to be ran 12 weeks. if you have to do this cycle with prop and deca I would do it like:

1-16 prop .7cc EOD this will be 140mgx3.5= 490mg per week
1-12 deca .4cc EOD this will be 120mgx3.5= 420mg per week.

what are you going to do for PCT? I suggest running HCG through the cycle, and blasting it 2 weeks before SERM starts.

20mg of nolva is not enough of a PCT, especially for a cycle with a progestin in it.

very true deca can be a bitch to recover from nolva/clomid pct 5 weeks

[scotty51312]

^^^ Even stopping my deca 3 weeks before test I'm having trouble fully recovering on my 3rd week of PCT. Other cycles without 19nors I recovered fully in 2 weeks but still kept running my full PCT. this is running 2 serms. Hopefully my labido comes back in the next two weeks

[DrawDown]

Thanks for the advice guys, I have clomid on hand that I never used in a previous pct. Ill add it to this pct. I pinned .7cc of prop this morning in the glute. Went real smooth with little to no burn. Just going to break the deca up into two pins first and end of week. No need to hit it eod.

[bugsysiegals]

^^^ Even stopping my deca 3 weeks before test I'm having trouble fully recovering on my 3rd week of PCT. Other cycles without 19nors I recovered fully in 2 weeks but still kept running my full PCT. this is running 2 serms. Hopefully my labido comes back in the next two weeks

How do you know you've fully recovered in 2 weeks on other cycles? I've run two cycles now and can tell my nuts get big again after a few weeks of clomid/nolva. I typically have no real crazy desire to have sex after a cycle for about a month. Are you referring to being horny as hell again in 2 weeks so you say you're fully recovered?

[Lemonada8]

You should look to fund a shorter ester nandrolone to go with prop

[dec11]

pinning deca that frequently is completely unnecessary, its a long ester. you'd be better going with a short ester compound with the deca

[MBMETC]

theroleticly you could pin deca once a week, but the concensus even with long esers is 2x pw to help keep blood levels stable. i would however be curiose to see first hand if there is much of a difference.

[dec11]

theroleticly you could pin deca once a week, but the concensus even with long esers is 2x pw to help keep blood levels stable. i would however be curiose to see first hand if there is much of a difference.

there is a paper difference but you would never notice it physically, similar to the pinning ed v eod senario.

[Lemonada8]

^^ total bs

Injecting outside of halflife increases sides due to fluctuations in the level.

[THE-DET-OAK]

How do you know you've fully recovered in 2 weeks on other cycles? I've run two cycles now and can tell my nuts get big again after a few weeks of clomid/nolva. I typically have no real crazy desire to have sex after a cycle for about a month. Are you referring to being horny as hell again in 2 weeks so you say you're fully recovered?

I hear this quite often and have experienced this myself on my first cycle. It was not until 2 weeks after I started my PCT that I lost my water and libido dropped. this leads me to believe that Dr. Scally's opinion that 2 weeks after a LE T cycle is too soon to start your SERM, for recovery purposes.

as far as deca pinning EOD, whats the difference? I mean he said he can only get prop, and since he is pinnng EOD anyway, whay add confusion to the cycle and do a seperate injection of dec 1 time a week, or have to rememeber to do it once a week with one of your prop shots?. Im not saying doing it that way wont work, but why not pin it EOD since you are already pinning EOD?

I did it this way with sust and DECA, cause I was doing a high amount of Sust so i wanted to pin it EOD, and I had no issues whatsoever and on top of that the deca actually relieved som injection pain form the short esters in the sust......................just my 2 cents.