Test-P with Var or Winny?? help a old school guy out with his first cycle

[speedfreak]

Hey guys I have been bouncing around on the first cycle for over 8 years now.. I am leaning towards this:

Wk 1-8 100 mg Test P EOD.
Wk 3-8 40 mg Stan per day OR VAR
Wk 1-8 GP Anastrozole .5 mg per day and followed through pct ( is it too much?)
What do you guys think?

Also for PCT:
One week after last shot

Weeks 1-4- 40 mg Nolva per day
Weeks 1-4 100mg Clomiphene per day
Weeks 1-5 1mg Anastrozole per day
Week 1- 4,500 iu HCG
Week 2- 3,000 iu HCG
Week 3- 1,500 iu HCG

Help me out please! cheers

[speedfreak]

Also what about Masteron, should I incorporate somehow? I heard great things about it

[Newbie100]

Dude, if this is your first cycle, everyone will say the same thing.

You really need to simplify it. Best analogy I have read was something about using a tennis racket to swat a flee, if the fly swatter will work, why bother.

From everything I have read, your first cycle should consist of one aas - Test, be it c, e or p. Cyp is good, but will take 3-4weeks to notcie the majority of effects. You can add in D-Bol to kickstart your cycle, but that goes against the single aas theory.

If it's your first cycle, you will have a ton of results off running 400-500mg/wk of test and then when you will know how your body reacts.

If you are running a single aas, you can simplify your PCT too.

And, everyone will want to know your stats too.

[Big Digger]

Yes, what Newbie100 said....I'm old school also, the last time I was researching gear, all the cycles started at low dosage, peaked and then decreased until the end. Now it looks as if you're going to do a cycle, it's the same dose throughout. Things have changed a lot. Plus, and not trying to be a dick, if it took you 8 years to decide, you probably don't really want to do the stuff. And from what I've read, you might not want to run oral winny or anavar for 6 weeks since they are hard on the liver, maybe 4 just to be safe since it's your first cycle that took 8 years to get approval.

[speedfreak]

I've ran Anavar by itself for 8 weeks on 2 occasions. No sides, everything good had great gains. And by old school I mean part of this board for a long time, doing ALOT of reading and research, I believe research is the most important thing in doing gear.. Also nobody is getting "approval" for anyone just looking for opinions and suggestions from people who have already tried what I am looking to do. For instance if someone had questions on VAR I could give an personal experience opinion.

[manblue]

whats your goals to bulk or cut? winny is more for cutting.

why don't you run the test for 12 weeks

and throw in dbol for first 4 weeks ?

you should only run 1 compound on your first cycle though

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[songdog]

Yeah thats old school.Stay at the same doseage.Use 1 compound to see how your body reacts to it.

[speedfreak]

Dont want to bulk, this is why I was going with winny or Var.. I never ran Win before, but I did love the results with Var.

[Newbie100]

You can keep your gains lean with a test only cycle. Just keep your eating clean. Why not get a true cycle under your belt, take 8 weeks off then run your winny on 2nd cycle?. I assume this is non-comp use?

[rabidsquirrel]

id also go with test e or c because p will have to be injected ed or eod and unless youve done injections before it gonna seem like a lot. test e or c and you can do once a week or twice if you choose that route

[Lemonada8]

nah ur just a Pu$$y ^^ ;-) I love prop for cycles and dont do anything else.

I would say go 50-75mg ED of prop for 8 weeks (however it works out with ur supplies and such)
with HCG during cycle at 500iu 2x week
PCT:
HCG 1000iu first day
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 50/50/50/50

and with PROP, you wait a day after ur last shot then begin PCT
Be sure to eat clean and work out hard and ull be lookin good

I wouldnt stack prop w/ anything for a first cycle. Prop will cut u up w/o needing to stack. Winny/Var are cutting/harding up options, which i think for a first cycle of prop should be left out because of 1) test only first cycle and 2) prop can cut just as good as winny/var it depends on ur diet. if anything, go with var due to previous use w/o issues. I used winny and i didnt like it i wont use it again.

Hold off on the AI unless u need it, no need to create a breakfast casserole when all thats needed is a protein shake.
Dont use the AI during ur PCT, you arent cycling 1g+ test week like some people do where it would be more beneficial.

any questions just ask

[speedfreak]

Lemonada8, Thanks bro..

You think the HCG makes a difference and is worth it? Also just use the HCG once on the first day of PCT?

I am def thinking of doing it ED... You think I should jump it to 75 ED?

I also saw some other people saying to extend the clomid and nolva to 6 weeks? any insight..

Thanks I appreciate the help!