NEW to Roids.. please help

[Mase81]

Hi All and thanks for looking,
Age:30
Weight: 80kg
Body fat: roughly 20-22 % (guess)
Experience: 2 yrs on/off
Planning to take: TREN TEST 250 SUS N DECA

I have been working out for a few years now and wanted a little help to build up and get a but stronger.
Iv come across some TREN TEST 250 SUS N DECA. Planning taking x2 injections per week of 250mg

My question is..
Is this ok for a beginner?
How long till I notice results?
Common side effects?

Like I said iv never done anything like this before so really can do with some good advice.

Thank all

[songdog]

Hey guy we have some educational threads you should really take the time and read.One good one is beginner cycles.But to help you out a lil.Your bf is to high you dont stack on 1st cycle.And never start out with tren.Do some research while you are loosing weight.Hit the diet section.They can help.

[Mase81]

Thanks for the reply. I dont actually think my BF is that high.. maybe more in the ranges of 18-20% but i will get this checked. whats the recomended BF?

What would you recomend for a beginner bro? I need something that i can get my hands on in the UK

[gixxerboy1]

first cycle should be test only.
the lower your bf the less chance of estro related sides. I prefer below 15%
Do you have anything for pct or know about pct?

[pointblank]

Whats up with new guys and cycling tren in their first cycle?

I never cycled before and I would not touch tren until many many cycles later.

You have to work your way up to tren, not start with it.

[Mase81]

Hi,

I dont actually know about pct.. what is it?

just reading about Gyno.. Im now thinking roids ant prob the right thing for me!

I have quit large man boobs... dont think its gyno as i dont feel any hard lumps...

I usto be a fat kid (14-18 yrs old) and have never managed to lose my man boobs. I do think if i manage to get my body fat down that i can lose most of the fat in them so maybe thats the way to go for now?

I will get some pics up when i get a chance thou.

I think iv got a long way to go before im ready for roids The reason i wanted to take them in the first place is coz i have major problems with strength.. I have a good technique as iv taken up a P.T course... read a lot about body building and how it should be done. plus my best friend is a full time P.T

I think it all come to genetics tbh... iv got real cr@p genetics! hence wanted to use roids to boost my chances of building muscles.

what do you guys think? do i have any hope?

[im83931]

Yeah, you have hope, it just sounds like you need to learn to eat correctly. While you can't change genetics, many guys who have man boobs have them because of being overweight. 18% is high enough that you haven't lost the 'hard to get to' fat deposits. When my fat gets too high my chest looks like crap too. We don't all walk around below 12% all year. I lean out in the spring and summer and then try too bulk up in the fall and winter.
I am a little older than you, and at 37 I can still add muscle. It just takes lots of the right food and plenty of rest. Go to the diet section and study, then build a diet plan and post it up and ask for the guys to look at it for you.

[gregg]

hi Mase81 my first cycle was sus 250 and decca 300, i used to take 1ml of each on a monday and 1 of each on a thursday and stook to that for 2-3 cycles, i had 3 month on, 1 month off, never had any side affects, apart from odd spots on my back, i noticed a difference in my strength within 2 week and size within a month, i put on quite abit in 3 month, but i was losing fat too, due to the gear.
like i said the only sides i had was odd spots on my back and my temper, it points i was like a moddy teenage girl but thats it.
and can i ask why people are saying to stay away from tren for many cycles, i know many lads in the gym who started straight off on tren and cip, they never had any problems and look great.
hope this is of some use

[im83931]

hi Mase81 my first cycle was sus 250 and decca 300, i used to take 1ml of each on a monday and 1 of each on a thursday and stook to that for 2-3 cycles, i had 3 month on, 1 month off, never had any side affects, apart from odd spots on my back, i noticed a difference in my strength within 2 week and size within a month, i put on quite abit in 3 month, but i was losing fat too, due to the gear.
like i said the only sides i had was odd spots on my back and my temper, it points i was like a moddy teenage girl but thats it.
and can i ask why people are saying to stay away from tren for many cycles, i know many lads in the gym who started straight off on tren and cip, they never had any problems and look great.
hope this is of some use

So he stated he doesn't have pct lined up or anything and you still recommend this? Just because some people use tren at first and are ok doesn't mean everyone should. How can he know what type of sides he will experience from AAS until he has done a single compound cycle?

[FuzzyPeaches o.O]

Mase I say this with comeplete respect for you and your health. You are no where close to being ready to cycle, yet alone tren deca sus and test. You have no idea how to combat sides if they show up and I bet they will. You plan on taking 2 19 nor's whats the reasoning with the compounds you have picked here? What are you going to do about prolactin? You do not even know about PCT yet? Thats the most important part, it is what help your body recover and get back to normal functioning. You need to slow down, there are no magic pills and results take time. You cannot just get impatient and start taking mad juice and expect everything to go off without a hitch. You are going to hurt yourself, do some research and gain some knowledge before you embark on this journey.

[gregg]

im83931 i never recommended anything, i told him what MY first cycle was, how long MY cycle was, when i started seeing MY gains, and the sides I had, it was more of an insight to what i was taking, not what he should take, and about the tren i asked why it shouldnt be taken to start with, ie. a reason???..
and yes as fuzzypeaches said, it doesnt happen over night, it takes a strict diet, hard work and patience

[gixxerboy1]

hi Mase81 my first cycle was sus 250 and decca 300, i used to take 1ml of each on a monday and 1 of each on a thursday and stook to that for 2-3 cycles, i had 3 month on, 1 month off, never had any side affects, apart from odd spots on my back, i noticed a difference in my strength within 2 week and size within a month, i put on quite abit in 3 month, but i was losing fat too, due to the gear.
like i said the only sides i had was odd spots on my back and my temper, it points i was like a moddy teenage girl but thats it.
and can i ask why people are saying to stay away from tren for many cycles, i know many lads in the gym who started straight off on tren and cip, they never had any problems and look great.
hope this is of some use

please dont listen to this.
Please stop giving advice you are clueless about what you are taking and the actual harm you are doing to yourself.

[gregg]

clueless???? my gains have been great and iv done no harm what so ever, some people i train with take 2-3 times what i do, and yes they are proffesional bodybuilders

[gregg]

infact can i ask the reason im clueless, and what harm im causing???

[gixxerboy1]

well to start if you are going 12 weeks on 4 weeks off. In 4 weeks those substances barley clear your system. And you did that 3 times. So pretty much you had your system shut down for almost a year.

do you want me to keep going?

[gregg]

yes please

[gixxerboy1]

yes please

any you think that is a good idea? You are really telling someone else to follow that protocol.

[gregg]

as i said before.... twice..... i wasnt telling him to take it, i was telling him what i took.... so that was it... nothing else, i was on it a little longer than what i was supposed to, and that makes me cluless.... wow

[gixxerboy1]

as i said before.... twice..... i wasnt telling him to take it, i was telling him what i took.... so that was it... nothing else, i was on it a little longer than what i was supposed to, and that makes me cluless.... wow

a little longer. You pretty much ran a year long cycle for your first. Yes thats clueless

[gregg]

ok so what should a good cycle be?
i didnt come to use this site to have a bitchin match with any1, i was giving mase81 an insight as to what i did, and personally my gains were amazing with no problems, but for some1 to jump in and say dont listen to him hes cluless, was bang out of order, and you actually stated i was clueless as to what i was taking??? so what is wrong with what i was taking

[gixxerboy1]

first cycle test 500mg per week for 10 weeks then pct.
running 2 compounds on the first cycle if you get a reaction or side effects how do you know which one is cause it. if oyu started to get gyno was estrogen or progesterone related? what would you take to help/

Of course you had good results you were on for a YEAR. You might not realize all your problems till later from being on so long.

[gregg]

yes your right i wouldnt know which 1 would have caused the sides, luckely i didnt get any, but the way you jumped in was out of order, you could have simply said this is right, that is right but the cycle is too much, as you said its a place for advice.
so having 10 week on tess, how long should you be off for?

[gixxerboy1]

yes your right i wouldnt know which 1 would have caused the sides, luckely i didnt get any, but the way you jumped in was out of order, you could have simply said this is right, that is right but the cycle is too much, as you said its a place for advice.
so having 10 week on tess, how long should you be off for?

I honestly dont think what i said was out of line. I'm sorry but nothing you said was right or useful

time on cycle + pct time= time off

[brad1986]

time on + pct= time off

[gregg]

what im saying is how long to take a pct cycle, 3-5 week ??

[gixxerboy1]

well depending on what you are taking decides how long to start your pct after your last injection. I run my pct for 4 weeks.

[Honkey_Kong]

I honestly dont think what i said was out of line. I'm sorry but nothing you said was right or useful

time on cycle + pct time= time off

Might I add this is just a minimum time off. Your body might still not be fully recovered from the previous cycle at this point.

[Mase81]

Firstly thank you all for your wondeful advice. I do agree that i am not ready for a cycle at the mo so im keeping away and using my time to build my knowledge..
You guys seem to know what your talking about so im sure you will help me with this.

Gregg i understand what you were saying bro.. just telling me of your experiance.. thanks

As adviced i will buld myself of a good diet and try and buld up as much as i can b4 i think about a cycle.

Defo need to get the body fat down... after reading this site and some of the posts/sticky notes i feel much better have a better understanding in what needs to be done.

Again thank you all and i will keep you updated with the progress.

[Honkey_Kong]

Firstly thank you all for your wondeful advice. I do agree that i am not ready for a cycle at the mo so im keeping away and using my time to build my knowledge..
You guys seem to know what your talking about so im sure you will help me with this.

Gregg i understand what you were saying bro.. just telling me of your experiance.. thanks

As adviced i will buld myself of a good diet and try and buld up as much as i can b4 i think about a cycle.

Defo need to get the body fat down... after reading this site and some of the posts/sticky notes i feel much better have a better understanding in what needs to be done.

Again thank you all and i will keep you updated with the progress.

The diet section on this site is a good place to start.

[Mase81]

Cheers mate