FIRST EVER CYCLE ... propionate & anavar or ethenate & anavar ???

[part.dean]

STATS
24
13 stone
6'
14% b.f
training 3.5 years


okay so ive decided to go down that path and use AAS to take me to the next stage. have been doing alot of research but am in 2 minds wether to use ethenate or propionate ??

cycle choise 1:
ethenate week 1-10 500mg e.w
anavar week 4-10 50mg e.d

OR

cycle choise 2:
propionate week 1-8 100mg eod
anavar week 2-8 50mg e.d


i know a few will say to try only use the 1 compound but seeing as var doesnt cause estrogen sides i will then know it would be the test my bodys reacting too for certain things (if any)

my questions are:

1. looking at both cycles which one is lower on side effects ??

2. would it be worth adding in a low dose of dianabol for the first 3-4 weeks on eather cycle to kick start & maximise gains as i have some pharma d-bol i can get my hands on ??

3. what is the reccomended AI to have on hand to combat estrogen sides, ive been looking at arimidex, and should i run the AI from day one or just have on hand incase of sides ??

4. for PCT i will use nolvadex and clomid but not 100% sure at what doses ??

[smc88]

im not as experienced as most but there are pros and cons of both cycles, if you use prop and you have bad sides then its out of your system rather quickly, wer as using enanthate it will stick around for a lot longer. if you are looking to add dbol i wouldnt run var and dbol together personally, and again if you get bad sides you wont know which one is causing them, so try and run them separate, arimadex or aromasin are both good AIs i think aromasin is usually recomended at 10mg ed. PCT obviously depending on what compound you choose to take will determine how long after you finish your cycle you start your PCT (all times can be found in a sticky in the PCT forum) but i would run PCT for 6 weeks running nolva 40/20/20/20/20/20 and clomid at 100(first 3 days,50mg the other 4)/50/50/50/25/25.

[TheClinch]

STATS
24
13 stone
6'
14% b.f
training 3.5 years


okay so ive decided to go down that path and use AAS to take me to the next stage. have been doing alot of research but am in 2 minds wether to use ethenate or propionate ??

cycle choise 1:
ethenate week 1-10 500mg e.w
anavar week 4-10 50mg e.d

OR

cycle choise 2:
propionate week 1-8 100mg eod
anavar week 2-8 50mg e.d


i know a few will say to try only use the 1 compound but seeing as var doesnt cause estrogen sides i will then know it would be the test my bodys reacting too for certain things (if any)

my questions are:

1. looking at both cycles which one is lower on side effects ??

2. would it be worth adding in a low dose of dianabol for the first 3-4 weeks on eather cycle to kick start & maximise gains as i have some pharma d-bol i can get my hands on ??

3. what is the reccomended AI to have on hand to combat estrogen sides, ive been looking at arimidex, and should i run the AI from day one or just have on hand incase of sides ??

4. for PCT i will use nolvadex and clomid but not 100% sure at what doses ??

you have exposed some very weak holes in your aas knowledge. everything you are asking has been answered here already and can be found primarily by reading the educational stickies and secondly by using the search feature here. take the time to read somemore and get bette educated on aas usage and pct protocols.

[part.dean]

cheers smc88
and i know alot has been answered but everyone has something different to say so i thought i would start up a new post and it is only my first ever post to get some more opinions on my questions. more comments would be appriciated.
thanks

[Windex]

cheers smc88
and i know alot has been answered but everyone has something different to say so i thought i would start up a new post and it is only my first ever post to get some more opinions on my questions. more comments would be appriciated.
thanks

Read the educational threads and use the search function. Nobody is going to spoon feed you. Neither cycle choice is good and your reasoning for taking Anavar in conjunction with Test is severely flawed.

[part.dean]

whats the point on this forum then if you post up a thread and no ones willing to help out, surely the amount of time it took you to type that you could have given me some usefull infomation surelly ?

[yearightbuddy]

whats the point on this forum then if you post up a thread and no ones willing to help out, surely the amount of time it took you to type that you could have given me some usefull infomation surelly ?

Surely the amount of time you typed this thread you could have clicked a sticky.

[guitario]

I love on these forums how the knowledgeable and the not so knowledgeable spar with each other with neither one willing to give in. :-)

[songdog]

Well with your wealth of knowledge on aas wat if the side wasnt estro related? Which compound would it be then? Come on you got the answers There is a reason for the way we do things here.They are time tested.Sometimes you can get by with 2 compounds.BUT if you cant your stuck.

[TheClinch]

bottom line in my opinion is that all the information you are asking for is available in the educational threads. they were written by people that are very well informed and by majority agreeance of the mods and vets of their quality information they were made a permanent part of this forum. You should take the time to read them, after that if you are still unclear at least you have tried and are just that little bit better informed.

if you stick around a little you will see how many different people ask the same question over and over again...

goodluck and happy reading