My HRT - opinions please :)

[JH0511]

I am about to start hrt. My test was 269, and estrogen 131.... My HRT consists of 200mg of test cyp every 5 days, hcg 250 iu the day after test injection (every 5 days) also take anastrazole 1mg with the hcg, taking anastrazole EOD.... Does this sound like a good protocol? Any opinions are welcome. It's not like I can change it but will I see gains off of 300mg a week? Which is what 200mg E5D averages out to. Thanks

[zaggahamma]

if you've been that low for sometime i would imagine you would feel great and also notice some gains as well..

thats actually a very high STARTING hrt test dose.....

good protocol? all protocols are/should be tailored to the individual....lets just say its a good/agressive start to your hrt

can u share stats and goals?

[steroid.com 1]

200 mg every 5 days = 1,200 mg / month. That's high end of a typical TRT protocol.

I don't understand your AI schedule? Is it 1 mg on the day you inject HCG or EOD? If the former, not enough. If the later, way too much. Rule of thumb; 1 mg of AI for each 100 mg of T.

Not enough HCG. 250 EOD would be needed to support 200 mg of T every 5 days.

Did your Doc put this protocol together and if so what's the rational?

[zaggahamma]

that reminds me to add...if you can monitor blood work routinely that is very much advised

[JH0511]

I have had low t all my life and high estrogen. The test will be 200mg e5d, 250iu hcg e5d, anastrazole 1mg EOD. Blood work will be taken after 6 months and then yearly. I am young only 26 but my body cannot produce the t it needs. I've always been extremely emotional and my wife says I'm on my man period all the time. I have no sex drive, no drive to do anything. I'm very irritable. All the classic signs. I am starting my hrt with hcg only 1000 iu a week to try and fix the hypogonadism for 4 weeks. After te 4 weeks the cyp will be started. The protocol was put together by a very reputable AA clinic that truly cares for the patient and the dr has nothing but my best interests in mind. I just want to feel like a man again and hopefully be able to make some gains off of it.

[JH0511]

So for ever 300mg of test a week I will be taking 3 mg of anastrazole a week. I am 26 years old. Have had a bad hormone imbalance all my life. Finially decided to fix it and this is where I am at. I am 5'10, 150lbs. With my high E I put on b/f easily especially in the women areas. I got gyno at 13.... Large lumps under nipples only no fatty breast tissue.

[JH0511]

Typo. 1000 iu hcg every 10 days for the first 4 weeks

[flatscat]

hey gd, are you saying there is now a standard ratio to apply when determining your hcg dose?

[JH0511]

Ive basically read with hcg less is more. I don't want to desensitize my body to the hcg using it at higher doses. If my balls stay plump and I can produce loads to impregnate my wife I'm happy with 250 iu e5d.

[steroid.com 1]

hey gd, are you saying there is now a standard ratio to apply when determining your hcg dose?

Good question Flats; not a "standard" per se. What I seem to be seeing is about 1000 iu a week on 100 to 200 mg of Test (i.e., the OP). Dosing days are up to the Doc and Patient. Some like 2 and 1 day before T injection others like me like 250 EOD. This is a pattern I am starting to see from AA and TRT Docs "in the know". A lot has to do with age and whether or not the patient is Primary or Secondary as these two diagnoses can dictate protocol.

[steroid.com 1]

Ive basically read with hcg less is more. I don't want to desensitize my body to the hcg using it at higher doses. If my balls stay plump and I can produce loads to impregnate my wife I'm happy with 250 iu e5d.

Less is more in terms of the amount you dose at one time. Any single dose over 500 iu is considered a waste, can desensitize your leydig cells and increase intratesticular E2. The pituitary gland produces LH and sends it to the testes when the body requires more natural testosterone production. It does this pretty much through out the day where its stronger in the morning then say the evening. The point is, it happens throughout the day and every day. So, the more you can mimic this natural cycle the more natural the state of your body and better control over E2.

So, lower doses but more frequent seems to be the best for some men. What it means, however, is more pins then say once or twice a week and for some guys that's enough.

[flatscat]

Good question Flats; not a "standard" per se. What I seem to be seeing is about 1000 iu a week on 100 to 200 mg of Test (i.e., the OP). Dosing days are up to the Doc and Patient. Some like 2 and 1 day before T injection others like me like 250 EOD. This is a pattern I am starting to see from AA and TRT Docs "in the know". A lot has to do with age and whether or not the patient is Primary or Secondary as these two diagnoses can dictate protocol.

Glad to see you mention primary and secondary - dont really see that mentioned enough in reply to hcg questions these days. So you are taking the latest trends in this realm and recommending them as an advocate for the members? Not hacking on ya, just confused I guess.

[JH0511]

Glad to see you mention primary and secondary - dont really see that mentioned enough in reply to hcg questions these days. So you are taking the latest trends in this realm and recommending them as an advocate for the members? Not hacking on ya, just confused I guess.

He is just sharing his opinion which I asked for and I thank all of those who respond. I'm going to follow my drs orders and see what the bloodwork says. But I am just trying to get a feel for the quality of this hrt regimen.

[FCVtec]

200mg e5d is almost like running a cycle. A healthy male on early 20's produces no more than 70mgs of test a week(correct me if I am wrong). If you are trying to put on some mass right off the bet and burn some extra fat go for it but as a legit HRT protocol there is absolutely no need for 200mg / week for the vast majority. Some guys test over the top range on only 150mgs / week... My boy is on hrt and came back with total test of 1200 on 200mg/week LOL.

I also think it's 2 much anastrozol. .25mg e3d is what he is prescribed and works great. I only take .25mg anastrozol e3d when on a tren and test cycle... 1mg is a lot to take at once on a low dose of test IMO.

[JH0511]

I believe the aggressive anastrazole is because I am very gyno prone and I prefer not to take a serm

[steroid.com 1]

Glad to see you mention primary and secondary - dont really see that mentioned enough in reply to hcg questions these days. So you are taking the latest trends in this realm and recommending them as an advocate for the members? Not hacking on ya, just confused I guess.

Not recommending anything...just discussing observations from what I've studied, what I heard (I heard Crisler speak in Orlando, FL) and conversations with my MD. And yes, the Primary and Secondary are def important factors in HCG protocols Flats.

[steroid.com 1]

He is just sharing his opinion which I asked for and I thank all of those who respond. I'm going to follow my drs orders and see what the bloodwork says. But I am just trying to get a feel for the quality of this hrt regimen.

EXACTLY!

And you have a right to ask about different protocols JH. TRT protocols are an art and we're all different and in a short time you will be dialed in!

The AI protocol is aggressive IMO and it can drop your E2 faster then Rosey O'donnell running for a box of Oreos; so keep an eye for neg sides of low E2 levels before your next BW.

[JH0511]

Are we all in consensus that I will see gains off of this hrt protocol???? Not the point of the HRT but I am hoping it's a byproduct.

[JH0511]

Anyone else?

[steroid.com 1]

Anyone else?

Yes, you will and you will like what you see

[JH0511]

Yes, you will and you will like what you see

Thanks

[steroid.com 1]

I'm 51 and have always been shape and look much younger then my age. About 6 months into my protocol and a lot of weights later and I don't ever recall looking like I do today! A real mesomorph! You'll see!

[JH0511]

I'm 51 and have always been shape and look much younger then my age. About 6 months into my protocol and a lot of weights later and I don't ever recall looking like I do today! A real mesomorph! You'll see!

GD,
I'm between a mesomorph/endomorph mix. I have both traits. My biggest was 155 @ 8-10%bf. My smallest but most cut up was 139lbs@5%bf.... What kind of serum levels do you think my body will stay at with the 200mg e5d?