Gyno help asap!

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Alright im on prop tren started week 1 with just 100mg prop
week 2 added 75 treni
my cycle is 100prop 75tren ed
im 31 5th cycle
i am gyno prone from just test and deca from 1st cycle
i was running 10mg nolva ed from day one but gyno came on
so i have liq letro have worked up to 2.5mg over last 5days
i know i need to stay on it but my left side is still very puffy and tender.
So my ? Is how long should the letro kick in or is in denendant on my body?
I also stopped the nolva the day after i started letro
so did i f-up or should i give it few more days?
I am not having any leakage or liquid out of nipple.
Give it to me guys!!!!!
Im reading but need a faster answer! Thanks

[cro]

if you know your gyno prone why risk it ?use aromasin from the start of cycle,

Alright im on prop tren started week 1 with just 100mg prop
week 2 added 75 treni
my cycle is 100prop 75tren ed
im 31 5th cycle
i am gyno prone from just test and deca from 1st cycle
i was running 10mg nolva ed from day one but gyno came on
so i have liq letro have worked up to 2.5mg over last 5days
i know i need to stay on it but my left side is still very puffy and tender.
So my ? Is how long should the letro kick in or is in denendant on my body?
I also stopped the nolva the day after i started letro
so did i f-up or should i give it few more days?
I am not having any leakage or liquid out of nipple.
Give it to me guys!!!!!
Im reading but need a faster answer! Thanks

[Blade15]

YEah.. take precaution bro.. Listen to cro...

[magic32]

See below...

[Tony17]

use .5mg/ed of adex as an anti-e, and nolva @ 20mg/ed to combat the gyno. Letro sucks for gyno reversal.

[lemonada9]

nolova isnt a good thing to use with Tren. It increases the progesterone sides. A SERM isnt good for a 19-nor steroid. but hey gyno is gyno, and if it takes some nolva to get rid of it well... its all ur body :P

I would go with the Letro on cycle, then have nolva in PCT. Adding caber/bromo just adds to the mix of potential sides IMO.

and try not to increase the dosage too fast.

[D7M]

nolova isnt a good thing to use with Tren. It increases the progesterone sides. A SERM isnt good for a 19-nor steroid. but hey gyno is gyno, and if it takes some nolva to get rid of it well... its all ur body :P

I would go with the Letro on cycle, then have nolva in PCT. Adding caber/bromo just adds to the mix of potential sides IMO.

and try not to increase the dosage too fast.

Nolva is fine to use with 19nors and won't increase anything. There are several excellent threads on here about that, I'll see if I can dig them up for you...

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

Nolva is fine to use with 19nors and won't increase anything. There are several excellent threads on here about that, I'll see if I can dig them up for you...

yeah i did try to prevent it just not soon enough. doh!
defintely will slow down my reading for better absorption
i will stay on course with the letro.
i have basic pct already and prami all from ar
sometimes we gotta learn the hard way.
any more suggestions would be great otherwise thanks guys.

[lemonada9]

Ok, yea thats what i remember reading somewhere that SERMs and 19nors dont go well together, and i havent been back to that area of expertise :P

But yea ifi u can find the threads that'd be awsome also!

[Matt]

For gyno reversal especially whilst using such compounds as tren/deca ive found nothing compares to the powers of nolva, for me letro is to harsh and doesn't work anywhere near as well....

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

i have been on 2.5mg of letro on day 8 and no change at all!!!! except pain in the am in the nips
thinking my gyno is more from the test going to lower test and come off letro and run nolva 20mg ed and get some adex

[NEVERBIGENOUGH]

or should i go for aromasin ?

[magic32]

Resurrected thread - in response to the recent gyno outbreak!

Solid posts as usual D7M and Matt.
Listen to the Vets Nvrbignuf.

Lemon, it's easy to get caught up in the misinformation you read because there's so very much of it out there. But try not to be vehicle for it, until you know the truth/science behind it.

PHYSIO 101:
Cholesterol is the parent molecule from which all ovarian steroid hormones are formed. It's converted to pregnenolone, which is in turn converted to progesterone. The steps in the conversion of progesterone to estrogen, include the intermediate formation of several androgens which in short are precursors of estrogens. They are converted to estrogens through the action of an enzyme known as aromatase. The reason I'm pluralizing estrogens, is because they are not an singular hormone as generally accepted by steroid forum guys, but actually a class of hormones. The class member hormones are Estrone (E1); Estradiol (E2), and Estriol (E3), of which estradiol is the predominant one.

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However, all we really need for our purposes are the following general facts:

• Excess Test (an androgen) can be converted to estrod; so steroids help produce it
• It's the Test/Estro imbalance that causes gyno; not estros themselves, so don't get off on progesterone from Nors or prolactin, etc.
• Ending the food supply kills growth; starving the receptors of estros resolves (to varying degrees) gyno
• AIs reduce estros, whereas SERMs prevent them from reaching the receptor altogether = STARVATION
• Nolva has been clinically proven in a plethora of studies to be "the most effective" drug ON ALL TYPES of gyno including idiopathic (of unknown origin)
• Take Nolva at safe levels until well after (like you would an antibiotic) symptom resolution

[billy_bronx]

Letro does work as i myself have used it at 2.5mg ed and has reversed gyno in one nip and has cut the other by up to 80% - just a little bit left