Prop + Clen + T3

[fizzaall]

Wat u guys think about this

Prop: 100 mg EOD 6 weeks
T3: 50 mcg ED
Clen : 2 wks on 2 off 40 up to 120mg

Iam not sure about the t3 dose though Iam cutting currently

Pct: 3 days after last prop shot
Clomid 50/50/50
Nolval 20/20/20

Thoughts ? Advices ?
G2g ?

184 pounds
5'6
27 YO
18-20 bf%

[10nispro]

your stats please

[fizzaall]

your stats please

Edited

[10nispro]

thanks bro. Before you start that cycle you need to drop the bf%. Tweek your diet, up the cardio, and just run the clen. No need for the t3.

[fizzaall]

thanks bro. Before you start that cycle you need to drop the bf%. Tweek your diet, up the cardio, and just run the clen. No need for the t3.

No thank u brag ,
that's a cycle for cutting
Dropping bf is wat am trying 2 do
And y not t3 ? It's superior to fat loss more than AAS ?

[10nispro]

I understand what you are trying to do but you will have potential issues with sides if you run the gear with bf that high. Also the gear isn't the magic solution without a good diet. Try the Clen only with cardio and good diet for 30 days and see what happens. Plus you should run the prop longer anyway

[fizzaall]

I understand what you are trying to do but you will have potential issues with sides if you run the gear with bf that high. Also the gear isn't the magic solution without a good diet. Try the Clen only with cardio and good diet for 30 days and see what happens. Plus you should run the prop longer anyway

Are u saying , more fat >> more estrogen Post cycle ?
Or the t3 is no gd at higher bf ?
6 weeks isn't enough for Prop? It kicks in 2-3 days ?
Sry alot of questions

[10nispro]

Are u saying , more fat >> more estrogen Post cycle ?
Or the t3 is no gd at higher bf ?
6 weeks isn't enough for Prop? It kicks in 2-3 days ?
Sry alot of questions

more fat more problems during cycle on gear.
prop does not kick in in 2-3 days.

[Granovich]

more fat more problems during cycle on gear.
prop does not kick in in 2-3 days.

who said u cant do prop for 6 weeks. ?
i think u can do 6 weeks or 8 or even 4 if u want. i have seen big guys do only 4-6 weeks cycles so their time off will be short and less side effects and they are big!

[fizzaall]

more fat more problems during cycle on gear.
prop does not kick in in 2-3 days.

Sry but Srsly I dnt understand , like I said do u mean estrogen? , wat kind of problems ? U mean the side effects? am going with 400 mg of t per week I dnt think sides would be alot of concern if Iam gone run a pct it's just test

[fizzaall]

who said u cant do prop for 6 weeks. ?
i think u can do 6 weeks or 8 or even 4 if u want. i have seen big guys do only 4-6 weeks cycles so their time off will be short and less side effects and they are big!

Well prop appears to b that it kicks in in day 12 or 14 at the most , he ment that I should extend it so I can take more advantage
Iam cutting for 4 weeks anyway, can't skip the winter bulk

[10nispro]

who said u cant do prop for 6 weeks. ?
i think u can do 6 weeks or 8 or even 4 if u want. i have seen big guys do only 4-6 weeks cycles so their time off will be short and less side effects and they are big!

those guys are using it as a cruising method more than likely. If you want to ramp up the mg's then 6 weeks as a cruise or blast can work. But if they are still running gear whilst they are supposedly off cycle aren't actually off.

[funkymonk]

Speaking from personal experience, stay away from clen if you're that high in BF%. It's overkill for your intents and purposes at that level.
If you're running prop for 6, I don't see why you wouldn't keep on for another 2 weeks. Many will say that their best gains came during weeks 3-8. I don't see how 2 weeks extra on an already short cycle will make recovery noticeably more difficult.

Sry but Srsly I dnt understand , like I said do u mean estrogen? , wat kind of problems ? U mean the side effects? am going with 400 mg of t per week I dnt think sides would be alot of concern if Iam gone run a pct it's just test

Higher fat == more aromatase == more conversion of the test to estrogen on cycle. Far from a preferable situation.

[fizzaall]

Higher fat == more aromatase == more conversion of the test to estrogen on cycle. Far from a preferable situation.

At the end of the cycle Bf will be lower , Iam talking aBout bf not bf% . Plus Iam running pct , which is more than enough
and a low dose , u guys are over rating it

I know guys would laugh when I mention pct for them at this low dose

Edit: why do I feel that alot of BS is going on in this thread

[RB3232]

Add in an AI, also skip your bulk season if you're bf% is 18-20%, you gotta cut down more before you can bulk

also adding in a small dose of prop will help maintain the muscle mass you have while cutting

[fizzaall]

Add in an AI, also skip your bulk season if you're bf% is 18-20%, you gotta cut down more before you can bulk

also adding in a small dose of prop will help maintain the muscle mass you have while cutting

I was goin to bump the thread cuz Iam planning to start this next week, that dude pmed me saying not to go with AAS on 20% this estrogen broscience that Iam hearing alot that is anoying Srsly , I finished my last bulking cycle at 18-16bf% and that wat I started with and my estrogen reaction was :" not a single F was given "
Plus guys with hormone treatment does the doctor tell em to drop BF(%)
I guess no

15-13% and I will stop I look no different lower , how much of a dose ?300-400mg enough ? For 6 weeks


Very helpful post bro thanx

Edit: b4 someone says " diet and cardio "
I say no I dnt care about "diet and cardio"
I actually care only about "diet " alone

[RB3232]

it can be anywhere from 100-400 id say for minimal water retention

[Sector]

I dont know why you were givin so much grief... Here you go.

Your test dose should depend on your t3 dose in my personal opinion. 50-75mcg is often more then enough to shed the weight with a proper diet, I rarely feel the need to go above that and I beleive a dose of 300-350 test prop would be sufficient. If you think you want to get naughty and try 100mcg of t3 I would definatly sit your test dose at 500mg.

Your t3 dose should be slowly ramped up to 100mcg, there are ALOT of opinions on how to run it and all im going to do is tell you how I run mine and it works for me. I ramp up in 25mcg increments ( I use RC t3, pills are better imo ), I start at 25 for 3-4 days then move to 50 for 3-4 days then move to 75 and I hold steady at 75mcg. Like I said, you can choose to go to 100mcg but it should be based off your dose of test and your tolerance to t3, ramp up cautiously. When it comes time to come off, some people like to ramp back down in the same manner and some prefer to just come right off. I use to do a bit of a mix, I would drop from 75mcg straight down to 25mcg for 3-4 days then I would come off. Your call, do a little research on it.

Clen... I am assuming you have used it before if you are saying you would like to run it at 120mcg. Well seeing as how your making this a 100% cutting cycle for a short duration, I would obtain some Ketotifen and run it alongside the clen starting at week 3 for the duration of the cycle. This will upregulate your receptors and keep the clen effective without going off of it. Again, do a tiny bit of research on Keto and it should be easy to find how to dose it.

Bodyfat... Seeing as how you have cycled before and let your bodyfat be a little free, I say your fine. You know your body better then we do and if you didnt have problems then I see no issue with you using at a higher bodyfat. I do beleive its easier to get rid of fat at 12+ BF% and that AAS should be saved until your under it but again, this is your decision and your an adult. I would however most certainly have an AI on hand, my preference is Aromasin.

PCT... Looks okay I supose, its not the standard one used around these parts but it would get the job done. I would however personally run it for 4 weeks, maybe drop the dose for the 4th week. I like the peace of mind of knowing I spent the time and money to recover.

Have fun, be safe and be weary of the t3. Keep your protein as high as you can mange while on t3 and test.

[dec11]

heres a pointer for you:

clen is rubbish, not necessary and bad for your heart, ive done as much without it as with it.

[dec11]

who said u cant do prop for 6 weeks. ?
i think u can do 6 weeks or 8 or even 4 if u want. i have seen big guys do only 4-6 weeks cycles so their time off will be short and less side effects and they are big!

man you really need to stop with this on threads, you've no idea about the context in which things are done and you are confusing inexperienced members

[songdog]

You ask for advice the guys here will give you the best and safest advice they know.Now if you dont want the truth quit asking.Any person who has done at least 5 min of research can tell you that the higher your bf the greater the risk of estro sides.AAs isnt a diet aid like you seem to believe.So if you want to run it at a higher bf% just do it.But dont sit there and argue the point.You got away with it next time you may get gyno.So I would tread lightly beacuse no one has to help you if you end up in trouble.And you will if you cycle long enough.

[fizzaall]

I dont know why you were givin so much grief... Here you go.

Your test dose should depend on your t3 dose in my personal opinion. 50-75mcg is often more then enough to shed the weight with a proper diet, I rarely feel the need to go above that and I beleive a dose of 300-350 test prop would be sufficient. If you think you want to get naughty and try 100mcg of t3 I would definatly sit your test dose at 500mg.

Your t3 dose should be slowly ramped up to 100mcg, there are ALOT of opinions on how to run it and all im going to do is tell you how I run mine and it works for me. I ramp up in 25mcg increments ( I use RC t3, pills are better imo ), I start at 25 for 3-4 days then move to 50 for 3-4 days then move to 75 and I hold steady at 75mcg. Like I said, you can choose to go to 100mcg but it should be based off your dose of test and your tolerance to t3, ramp up cautiously. When it comes time to come off, some people like to ramp back down in the same manner and some prefer to just come right off. I use to do a bit of a mix, I would drop from 75mcg straight down to 25mcg for 3-4 days then I would come off. Your call, do a little research on it.

Clen... I am assuming you have used it before if you are saying you would like to run it at 120mcg. Well seeing as how your making this a 100% cutting cycle for a short duration, I would obtain some Ketotifen and run it alongside the clen starting at week 3 for the duration of the cycle. This will upregulate your receptors and keep the clen effective without going off of it. Again, do a tiny bit of research on Keto and it should be easy to find how to dose it.

Bodyfat... Seeing as how you have cycled before and let your bodyfat be a little free, I say your fine. You know your body better then we do and if you didnt have problems then I see no issue with you using at a higher bodyfat. I do beleive its easier to get rid of fat at 12+ BF% and that AAS should be saved until your under it but again, this is your decision and your an adult. I would however most certainly have an AI on hand, my preference is Aromasin.

PCT... Looks okay I supose, its not the standard one used around these parts but it would get the job done. I would however personally run it for 4 weeks, maybe drop the dose for the 4th week. I like the peace of mind of knowing I spent the time and money to recover.

Have fun, be safe and be weary of the t3. Keep your protein as high as you can mange while on t3 and test.

I really can't thank you enough


Ur t3 protocol is almost wat I'm planning to do , except that I will be tapering it @ the last week from 75>25 , will run it for 6 weeks along with the prop , wat Iam worried about is the Clen , I have used it b4 , always makes my heart go crazy , and Ian afraid that the t3 could add something to that , will try to minimize the dose a lil


Respect , satisfying answer , advice appreciate it bro

[fizzaall]

You ask for advice the guys here will give you the best and safest advice they know.Now if you dont want the truth quit asking.Any person who has done at least 5 min of research can tell you that the higher your bf the greater the risk of estro sides.AAs isnt a diet aid like you seem to believe.So if you want to run it at a higher bf% just do it.But dont sit there and argue the point.You got away with it next time you may get gyno.So I would tread lightly beacuse no one has to help you if you end up in trouble.And you will if you cycle long enough.

"AAs isnt a diet aid like you seem to believe"
Sry , did I have mentione in anyway that AAs is gonna make me shreded ?

I dnt even wanna run the prop , but it's recommended with the t3

Could u pls show me someone did a cycle at 20% and got alot of side effects ?
And even if he did , Iam sure the pct reversed it

I mean , wats the point of pct then ? Y I run it ?, it won't help with all that estrogen Iam gone be f'd up with,

Isnt pct drugs job to reverse the esro sides ? If I have too much sides at this 300 mg pw dose , I will up my clomid or nolva dose