My first cycle, no flamin brahs

[TheBoulder]

k guys go easy no flamin, first post::

k, been workin out for about 3 years, here's my current routine:

3daysplit
Legs/Shoulders
Chest/Back
Bis/Tris/Abs

Legs/shoulders/chest/back all get 2 heavy coumpound lifts at 5x5 and a couple burnout workouts afterwards for mass, usually a total of 5 more sets in the 8-12reprange
Bis/Tris get an isolation 5x5, and then I do a full arm burnout 3 sets
Abs/obliques 6xfailure weighted in the 15-25 rep range

I've been on a 300 (clean bulk) calorie surplus with an average 45/35/20 macro ratio for about a year, currently around 14%bf
I eat clean foods, except for canned chili which i eat almost daily, fits into my macros.
I got my omega369, a multi, EAA/BCAA, and my whey (my multi contains milk thistle and ALA, is this enough or should i get seperate supplements for prevention of liver damage?)

all set, right? been making great gains, ~average of .6lbs of clean muscle a week.

However, I'd really like to go on a cycle, either for stregnth, or both size and stregnth. Alot of research I've done suggests either a 10-12week test cycle, a 6week dbol alone cycle, or an anavar cycle.

Anavar's side effects are negligible compared to test/dbol so if someone can point me in the right direction for a reliable/relativly cheap cycle I'd gladly appreciate it. Plus Anavar is almost pure stregnth gains (no mass) so i could go back into weight class boxing with it :]

I'd much rather take dbol over test, cuz with test it's all injection
so I found a nice little dbol cycle
weeks 1-6, 40mg/dbol/day
weeks 3-6, 10mg/nolv/day
weeks 7-8, 50mg/clomid/day

firstly, do I need an AI or CortBlocker etc... with dbol? or is just the nolv and clomid good enough? secondly, how should I change my current workout routine when i introduce either dbol or anavar? thirdly, how many more calories should I introduce into my diet above my maintenance, being at 300 for a clean bulk, how many would I need for maximum gains but still be clean? lastly, how should my pct workouts look? this part is especially confusing for me.

[SlimmerMe]

18 ???

TOO EARLY. Way too early. PLease re-think your plan.

[The Bear 79]

I'm not flamin u "brah" but 18 is way 2 yung 2 start using steroids, u risk doing serious damage 2 ur endocrine system. At ur age, u should b able 2 make substantial gains naturally. Ur diet isnt gona cut it though, u should head over 2 the diet section they will help. Good luck bro.

[Bio-Active]

at 18 you don't need aas you need a good diet.

[SlimmerMe]

The Young and Steroids
by MARCUS300

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[TheBoulder]

Does that include the Anavar? Which isn't or is only slightly androgenic and doesn't aromatise? Everything I've read is about its mild side effects including the imbalance caused to the endocrine system compared to others. 25 is so far away

[jbm]

Try it! And you'll regret it someday...

[The Bear 79]

Well, I hav 2 say, I'm impressed, I'm glad 2 c u r competent & patient enuf 2 do some research, it shows smarts, good 4 u. But Var is still a steroid none the less. U will b amazed @ wut ur capable of natty with the rite diet.

[TheBoulder]

Whats wrong with my diet? and yea, I know U'm not mentally prepared for this, and I know i wont be for a few more years, but research is research, and that includes educated opinions and anecdotal evidence provided from sources like these.

[jelly]

You would be gaining alot of muscle at 18 if you ate enough food and had enough excercise. Don't even say you do, because I will just stick my dik in your mouth and tell you you are wrong and that you need to eat more and exercise harder.

Don't be a lazy ass. Steroids don't eat and excercise for you.

[Shol'va]

Actually I'm impressed that you didn't get flamed for the use of the term Brah. lol

[jelly]

^^^ Shol'va's thumbnail pic.... EWW... Don't get any ideas Shol'va, it was a figure of speech, the cock in the mouth.

Never seen gay rednecks dukin it out with their tongues be4. Yikes.

Actually I'm impressed that you didn't get flamed for the use of the term Brah. lol

I think you just did by posting in here. He did say no flaming brahs......

Just don't get offended or take things I say personally Shol'va. I have a real bitter sense of humor and have to crack at alot of things I see on this forum.