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Bodybuilder vs. trained fighter
Both BB's and PL's would have an easy time over any average Joe but we would most lightly get our ass handed to us most of the time against any trainer fighter even if they are smaller than us
IMO the powerlifter would be the better fighter due to his higher absolute strength but im sure he would get winded much faster than a BB'r
But of course in the street anything goes
Bas Rutten always related
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Yeah, i think Bruce Lee would beat Van dame. He already beat chuck norris
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Being stronger will help against someone who is close to the same skill level of fighting.
But size and strength can only make up so much if the person is more advanced then you.
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I've only been in 2 fights my entire life. Both fights I won. I wasn't even that big or strong either..6'3" 200lbs.
Those fights I never started though..just finished.
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I powerlift and play rugby on a national level, so my endurance and size/strength are above average. I did do BJJ for 6 years or so, but that was a long time ago and the skills you learn are perishable. I don't remember much of it and would only be able to execute the very basics as it's been about 5 years since I trained anything. While I was training BJJ and competing, my instructor always had a great way of reminding me that skill and technique will always > size and strength. He'd kick my ass. While I could power through most other guys moves and hold them off through sheer muscle endurance until they got tired, the tiny man that was my instructor could usually always make very short work of me.
Like Gixxer said, when someone is at your same skill level size and strength can easily be used to overcome anything they can throw at you, I used this a lot to my advantage in competitions and what not. A lot of people were my same size, but not a lot were nearly as strong as me and this helped me a lot. However, when fighting guys at higher skill levels (such as my instructor who I easily outweighed by 100 pounds) my size and strength proved to be a non-factor as years+ of experience teaches you to not rely on your strength and more on technique...because as my instructor always said "There will always be someone stronger than you"
That being said, I find that most people are very unwilling to fight me. More often than not they'll attack a smaller friend of mine which ends up drawing me into it. There's actually been several times where guys come up to my window and start yelling, and when I get out of the car to address the issue they are like "no man...it's cool it's cool"..smh. I'll never start a fight, but I will finish one.
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typical polish man (powerlifter) v irish man (some boxing training) fight in dublin every fri,sat night. . . .lad from dublin dances round and jabs and eventual ko, polish powerlifter swings haymakers and usually misses but every now and again he will catch you and then its good night
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Yea but unless you are small or really have no power. Virtually everyone has enough strength to deliver a knockout punch.Originally Posted by DanB
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i agree but polish powerlifter usually has no technique apart from a big overhand right where as irish lad see's danger avoids it and takes oppertunity whenever it comes
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shit what am i talking about ive seen kids ko people twice their size and age, also alot of powerlifters can also fight,there too many variables and on the street luck comes into it aswell
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It also depends on where and how the fight is situated.
I've seen some guy i know who is very good at BJJ get his ass handed to him in a bar fight, The other guy wasnt good. But the bjj guy tried to pull guard in the middle of a club. He got fvcked stomped.
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What Gixer just said. I've seen loads of big guys gets clattered. But there is a buddy of mine who is bigger than me and has had lads thinking just cos they can kinda fight try and take him on. His old man is an ex irish champ of JJ made bits of the poor lads in about 5 secs. They normally freak out cos all he does while they are shouting and threating him he be looking around and at the end of them ranting they go to him. What are you looking at? He goes camera's and then boom out they go poor bastards should have just hit him first lol.
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this exactly. ive seen this shit every night all night working doors, ive yet to see one guy dance around like a pro, it ALWAYS ends up a mass brawl
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Size and strength deff play a big role in a fight! yes a guy who trains in bjj could take down a larger guy who does not but if your 6"0 225lbs solid vs a guy who 6"0 180lbs 9 times out of 10 the 225lber is going to win!
I was in a fight one night against a guy who was clearly an experienced fighter...I didnt know this before I faught him! but once we got going it was obvious he had trained in bjj or some kinds of martial art. Any way I was at my bigest then 5"11 220lbs solid and he was about 5"11 170lbs give or take....he was swinging at me and landing punches like crazy and he was trying to get close and take me down so I waited til he opened him self up, grabed his shirt and knocked him out lol size won me that fight! Im a tough guy but this guy was pullin off some crazy shit! lucky for me I landed a good hit and I had the power to knock him cold out or he prob would have choked my ass out lol
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Look at a guy like GSP in the UFC...he is a very talented yes but there are guys who are just as talented as he is but GSP is such a powerful fighter! he's by far the most athletic and powerful fighter pound for pound in the UFC, and it has saved him in many fights! Then you look at guys like BJ Penn who have all the talent in the world but no power, no athletic ability and they most often loose fights because they are physicaly out matched.
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im very opinionated but hear me out! bodybuilding does not train explosive like a powerlifter! i clean,jerk,snatch,and do sprints, and 3 1/2 foot box jumps and when i started training some MMA the guys were impressed by my strength of being smaller! I dont like body building because the way i train now, i feel like a NFL running back haha!
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If they hav "no power, no athletic ability and they most often loose fights", then y would u claim they "hav all the talent in the world"?
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someone must have never seen bj workout! your going to say he doesnt have any power or athletic ability but was the lightweight champ? HAHA Nevermind....dont even answer that!
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Really....lol, I've never heard of Penn referred to in that way. Maybe you should take a look at some of his fights mate, he is an awesome athlete and has one punch power. He does give away a lot of size to GSP or anyone he fights in WW or above....I remember his fight against Machida....he must have been outweighed by 40 pounds....
'everything louder than everything else'
fighting on the street or clubs is a mugs game, just be aware that just one punch in an uncontrolled environment can put someone's lights out for good, then where are you?. ive one former acquaintance who was the talk of the town for his hardman no nonsense approach, he's been in and out of prison since his late teens for assaults and no-one wants to know him anymore.
best approach is to take someone down and pin them so therefore strength wins everytime in my book and as a powerlifter ive yet to be troubled by anyone whilst working doors and tbh, these 'expert' trained fighters are a myth in street/club situations, ive never once seen it and believe me, ive witnessed some crazy amount of dust ups!!. of course situations are different, learning to read them and making your move to end them 1st is the key, body language and foot positioning will tell you if its all peacock feathers or if its a legitimate threat.
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I only fight blokes that are 90 lbs or less, so i don't see it making much of a difference! =)
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BJ Penn is not a gifted athlete and isnt very strong but the guy is one of the most well rounded fighters in history. I would say a guy like GSP is about as well rounded a fighter...perhaps more so now but when they first faught each other they were on even ground...gsp won that fight because he out powered Penn and held him off.
Size and Power translate or they wouldnt have weight classes in fighting. An avg heavy weight fighter would destroy a good welter weight fighter based on size alone.
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Penn is an amazing fighter but he is no athelte...Hes explosive and smart but hes not that powerful of a fighter. I watched a video on him training for his last gsp fight and he was only squating like 160lbs and using 50lb dumbells which was not very impressive at all!
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speaking from my own experience thats BS. I'm 5'6 185. Granted i trained and fought alot. But i bounced at alot of serious places in the city and most guys are bigger then me. And i have never had a problem holding my own or dragging out a guy bigger then me.
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to be serious for a moment, alot of big blokes are actually shitty fighters, relying on their size and ability to initimidate based on that. When i was younger and wiry, and fought, the bigger ones (sometimes) actually went down easier. Some would ask me what happened, and I'd say the bloke never even bothered to fight back. One and done quite often.
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i agree. Mentality and confidence goes along way. You can see the difference between someone who is trying to fight you back cause they think they can win and the someone who is just trying to fight you off so they dont get hurt.
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and the real truth is physical strength usually has very little to do with fighting. Let's not get confused. Bodybuilding skills don't easily translate to fighting skills.
Usually the guys that are good with the speed bag are better at fighting than the guys that are good with the heavy bag. Eye/hand coordination are extremely important, and agility. And speed.
I nail you hard in your throat, and guess what? you are going down. I don't care if you are 300 lbs.
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strength comes more into play when in it turns from punches to grappling
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Remember Evander Hollyfield? As a light heavy weight, he was an awesome fighter. Unfortunately for him, the money is in the heavy weight division. So he bulked up and went from 195 to 225+. His skills really suffered. He went from a guy light on his feet, with great combinations (punches in bunches) to a lumbering heavy weight that tired and punched in ones or twos at a time only. His performance declined, and he was no longer the exciting fighter to watch.
My point is this. Evanders fighting skills deteriorated when he bulked up. He gained a little more pop in his punch, but lost it in other areas.
Quite often, when a bloke bulks up, his fighting skills suffer
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well, in that case, Sumo Wrestlers with 35%+ BF should reign supreme, and kick ass on all body builders
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^^^ Sumo wrestlers for the win
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its kind of both
force= mass x acceleration
Thus you can hit me with an ant at 300 miles per hour and i wouldnt feel a thing.
You could also hit me with a sledge hammer at the slowest speed possible and i wouldnt feel a thing.
Now if you were to hit me with a sledge hammer at 300 miles per hour, that would be a whole different story.
Also, when 2 objects intersect, the one that has less mass will get blown away.
But this is just science. Technique is very important in organised fighting. But when it comes to street fighting, its just pure chance. Of course experience and repeating a certain punch or kick move will help with the reflexes, but a street fight is really unpredictable, no matter the opponents
That don't kill me, can only make me stronger
'street fights' have too many variables
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I think we can all agree that If you take two guys equal in talent one bigger then the other the larger stronger guy will win...so yes size matter but only to an extent.
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maybe.
maybe the smaller, quicker bloke kicks the bigger bloke in the sack first, ending the fight?
smaller bloke will have quicker reaction time. if smaller bloke gets off first, could be a quick night.
but my original point is that many bigger guys don't have to fight very often, intimidate the smaller guys who in turn back off, and therefore don't really develop fighting skills per say.
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Someone who knows how and where to hit for the win 90% of the time.
I don't know many big guys that I would say could really fight....and I've seen a bunch that thought they could
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it all depends if u take sust....
if so, as we all know, u will be a good fighter.....
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lol. i always keep an amp in my back pocket just in case something is going to pop off
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good times, good times.....
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Some of you little men just have something to prove.
Please define 'big' there is a 'big' difference between a man with 35% bf weighing 300lbs that doesn't even workout....compared to a man 15% bf weighing 300lbs that does workout.
I don't care who you are...its going to take more than a punch in the throat to take him down.
All im saying is you guys need to drop your little man complex and just face reality.
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