Sus deca cycle critique pls

[Ca$tro]

Age 34
Weight 103 kg
Height 6ft
Training for years
Ran one cycle of test at 500mg pw with dbol for first four weeks.
Anything else?

Proposed cycle
Test/sus at 500mg 1-12 wks
Deca at 200mg 1-10 wks
Anadrol 100mg ed 1-4 wks
Hcg - have it but need help when and where to start this?? Maybe wk 1-10

Pct clomid and nova - again need to research dosages? Or help pls presuming run this 14 days after last test shot

My bf % is a bit high the moment so working to get that down to 12% before starting this cycle, which I am aiming to do by April...

All advice appreciated lads...

[Joemace]

What are your goals mate? That's a bulking cycle you got there so if that's your goal perfect. Maybe start the Anadrol a few weeks before the rest as a front loader for 6 weeks 2 or 3 weeks before the rest and maybe increase the deca to 400 mg and the sust to 750 mg as the results depending on the dose I ran the same cycle with good results. You need to e injecting the sust eod Monday-Friday because of the short esters in it. Pct I ran was clomid and nolva 100/100/50/50, 40/40/20/20

[titan13]

From everything Ive read on this forum I would definetly agree that anything less than 400 mg deca would not be worth doing.

[Joemace]

Effective dose for deca is 400-600mg

[Ca$tro]

I believe the same from reading posts, my supplier suggests that 200mg of sus and 200mg of deca is sufficent... I thought 600 sus and 300 deca would be good from what i have read??? anything below 300 would only cure aches and pains???
What about HCG??? When do i run that some have suggested start in week one others say start that in week eight???
I know that it is a bulking cycle... I was going to go for Tren Ace but my friend suggests to stay away from it as it has quite a few sides such as increased aggression, a wife beaters steroid is his words, he did a cycle of it and suffered from depression for some time!!!
Any advice on this??? I may be able to exchange it for the Tren... What can you run with Tren??? Equipoise/Test??? I understand that Tren aids a cutting cycle where as sus and deca aid a bulking cycle, i am going off what i have read... My friens suggested that in the old times sus and deca with a good diet was also used for a cut...
Input pls

[Joemace]

Deca and sus have never been used for a cutting cycle. I would stick with 400mg see any really gains and 500mg sust is a good start anyway they are both slow working drugs so will take a few weeks to see noticeable gains because of the slow esters though I've always found I get strength gains quite quickly probably from the fast esters in the sust. Steroids don't cause depression or anger it releases what is in the persons mind so in my opinion make sure you're phycologically and physically ready before a course.

[Joemace]

I've never used the others so I can't comment I've always stuck to deca sust clomid and nolva as I find that is all I need. I have run a cycle of winny for 6 weeks with sust as a base which cut me up amazing

[Ca$tro]

Joe Mace - appreciate the input, so Deca 400mg 10 wks / Sus 500mg 12 weeks. Clomid Nolva for pct...
Have you used HCG during this cycle???
Also what about the Anadrol do you think that we will be ok to use for the first 4 weeks???

[Joemace]

I would run 400mg deca for 12 weeks and 750mg sust for 16 weeks. You need to run test as the base for every cycle. With the Anadrol I would take it week 1-6 a (6 max) as a kick start for almost immediate results at 50-100mg a day. Anadrol works quick due to a short half life but is taxing on the liver and can cause quite bad headaches. Make sure you have something on hand to stop bloating because it does cause a lot of water retention. also make sure you have a very aggressive PCT on hand before you start the cycle. Don't add too many compounds to a cycle because if you have any sides you won't know what compound is causing it. I've never used HCG so can't advise on this sorry mate. Finally on a cycle eat more drink plenty of water sleep more and train hard. I'd recommend something like milk thistle if you're taking any orals to protect the liver a bit

[baseline_9]

As posted in another thread but modified for you

Test E Week 1-12.... 400-500mg
Deca Week 1-10.... 400-500mg
Anadrol or Dbol Week 1- 6....30mg per day (personally I would run Dbol at 25mg ED for 6-10 weeks)

HCG Week 1-13.... 250 IU 3x Per week
AI Week 1-14 (Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD or Aromasin @ 10mg EDO)



PCT starts 2 weeks after last Test E shot (week 15)

Nolvadex 40 20 20 20 20 20
Clomid 100 50 25 25 25 25


100mg of Anadrol is a high dosage TBH and I would rather see you half it and double the duration..... I feel that orals are better run this way as they offer great strength gains but often the weight gained is water for example.... Run them lower for a longer time to get the most out of the added strength they have to offer.... Just my opinion, I found this out because I cant run DBol over about 40mg without some serious back pumps so I generally run it at a lower dose now for the duration the the cycle or pulse it on training days only

[Joemace]

Well said I'd listen to baseline he seems to know what he's talkin about in regards to orals. Personally I stay away from orals and just stick with pinning. I'd also recommend looking at the steroid profiles on this forum they can be very informative

[BBrian]

My experience with HCG is not to run it until just at the end of the cycle, or even until the cycle has ended altogether. If you read the HCG profile on this site, you'll read a concurring application. At any rate, I advise you to read about it here... steroid.com/HCG.php

[Bulkn]

Its only your second cycle, you dont even need to add another compound yet- especially not tren!!
But if you did want to run the deca, i'd run it at 400 and test at 500.
Add in aromasin for estrogen control like baseline suggested.

[stpete]

As posted in another thread but modified for you

Test E Week 1-12.... 400-500mg
Deca Week 1-10.... 400-500mg
Anadrol or Dbol Week 1- 6....30mg per day (personally I would run Dbol at 25mg ED for 6-10 weeks)



G Week 1-13.... 250 IU 3x Per week
AI Week 1-14 (Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD or Aromasin @ 10mg EDO)



PCT starts 2 weeks after last Test E shot (week 15)

Nolvadex 40 20 20 20 20 20
Clomid 100 50 25 25 25 25


100mg of Anadrol is a high dosage TBH and I would rather see you half it and double the duration..... I feel that orals are better run this way as they offer great strength gains but often the weight gained is water for example.... Run them lower for a longer time to get the most out of the added strength they have to offer.... Just my opinion, I found this out because I cant run DBol over about 40mg without some serious back pumps so I generally run it at a lower dose now for the duration the the cycle or pulse it on training days only

This....

[Ca$tro]

Thank you to all of you for your most knowledgeable replies... I appreciate it seriously... Big up Baseline, Joemace, Bulkn and at eye...
I opted for deca as many said Tren is for the more experienced users...

[Joemace]

Glad it's appreciated mate. Keep us posted on your progress

[Ca$tro]

Sorry stpete I did mention you above for some reason the iPad wrote your name down as I...
I will keep u all posted on this but I am not starting for some time yet...
Some people really advising me to take Tren instead of Deca but I have read and mentioned that Tren is for the more experienced users so I will be sticking to sus and deca....
Again thanks to all you with much superior advice and experience...

[Joemace]

I wouldn't recommend tren for a new user. Stick with deca and sust you will see amazing gains if you use it right