Amount of test and Dec ?

[jamesz123]

Since everyone is different is it safe to say that if my sex drive is higher than usual, my pump & strength is higher than usual and my weight is not dropping - that whatever amount of juice that I am on is working; no matter how small (test and Dec combo) is actually having a positive effect as far as muscle building potential. meaning I do not really need to take anymore than that small amount for small but solid gains. of course I am assuming that diet and training are in check.
The reason I ask this is i feel that most people have a tendency of following a set method no matter what their body type and response etc
Why take more than the bare minimum to do the job and if you are still feeling the effects of steriods than it is safe to say that the stuff is working.
I have a feeling I gain on smaller amounts - that is why i ask...
thx

[alexISthrowed]

Everyone's body is different so there needs to be some sort of standard. What kind of dose are we talking. Can you gain on 400mg even though 500mg is the generally whats recommended, yes.

[jamesz123]

Everyone's body is different so there needs to be some sort of standard. What kind of dose are we talking. Can you gain on 400mg even though 500mg is the generally whats recommended, yes.

So you agree with me ? I mean if you still feel positive effects of 400 mg (200 or dec and 200 test) per week than that should be sufficient - assuming it goes for like 9-10 weeks. you body is an extreme anabolic state (you know that cause you feeling it , the pump, strength, the sex drive etc). For some it might be 500 or 600 mg when they start feeling it ....and so on...
I mean does it not accumulate in your blood over weeks (even if it is a fast acting one), so theoretically you should be feeling the effects for many weeks on the same dosage. Isn't that the reason you sometimes can still gain AFTER you stop taking them (in teh PCt stage)....until it completely leaves your system../

[alexISthrowed]

So you agree with me ? I mean if you still feel positive effects of 400 mg (200 or dec and 200 test) per week than that should be sufficient - assuming it goes for like 9-10 weeks. you body is an extreme anabolic state (you know that cause you feeling it , the pump, strength, the sex drive etc). For some it might be 500 or 600 mg when they start feeling it ....and so on...
I mean does it not accumulate in your blood over weeks (even if it is a fast acting one), so theoretically you should be feeling the effects for many weeks on the same dosage. Isn't that the reason you sometimes can still gain AFTER you stop taking them (in teh PCt stage)....until it completely leaves your system../

First of all I don't think your anywhere near ready to cycle knowledge wise. You should have all these questions answered before you ever start a cycle. Second of all the reason you don't want to run test at such a low dose is because you are essentially shutting down your natural test and replacing it with an equal amount of artificial test. Now with 200mg of deca added to it, it's a slightly different story. Is it possible to grow on these doses? I suppose but I wouldn't even waste my time. I think most of what you are feeling is in your head. You are essentially running a trt dose for a man with very low test and bad joints.

[jamesz123]

First of all I don't think your anywhere near ready to cycle knowledge wise. You should have all these questions answered before you ever start a cycle. Second of all the reason you don't want to run test at such a low dose is because you are essentially shutting down your natural test and replacing it with an equal amount of artificial test. Now with 200mg of deca added to it, it's a slightly different story. Is it possible to grow on these doses? I suppose but I wouldn't even waste my time. I think most of what you are feeling is in your head. You are essentially running a trt dose for a man with very low test and bad joints.

Ok lets go with that. It might be mostly in my head..buuut...here is my argument: if I am JUST replacing my test with the one that I am cycling (cause I am shutting mine and JUST replacing it) than I WILL NOT FEEL ANY MORE OF THE PUMP, SEX DRIVE, STRENGTH INCREASE that I already had before I cycled ...see what I mean. That is why I specifically mentioned : assuming that I still FEEL the increased effects of the steroids - pump, strength increase etc ......
The only way I will still feel that is if my test levels are above the norm ( even as a result of small test + Dec combo) - and that means real potential GAINS.

[Knockout_Power]

your writing is hard to understand.

Im really not sure what you are asking since you ramble your sentences together, but if all you are really asking is that if you are seeing gains at a lower dosage, there is no reason to up them... then yes, you are correct. More is not always needed

[jamesz123]

your writing is hard to understand.

Im really not sure what you are asking since you ramble your sentences together, but if all you are really asking is that if you are seeing gains at a lower dosage, there is no reason to up them... then yes, you are correct. More is not always needed

yeah i did ramble a lot - lol
Sorry about that
You did give me an answer though. I have a tendency of complicating things, sometimes it works and sometimes ...well...I ramble on ......

[oscarjones]

I've tried some odd dosage combinations; to compare:

291mg Test E every week
525mg Tren A every week
-mediocre gains

291mg Test E every week
700mg Tren A every week
50mg D-bol every week
-amiable gains

583mg Test E every week
-great gains

583mg Test E every week
525mg Tren A every week
25mg D-bol every week
-best gains

Not much objective data, sorry...

[flatland4life]

I have read that a first time test user can make gains on a 250mg test only cycle for 8-10 weeks

I am currently on a 250mg test only 10 week cycle myself
and just over 4 weeks in I can really tell my strength and recovery is so much better
that it can not be in my head.
But I am 40 years old and maybe that means alot
heck I could have had super low test levels for all I know.

I have also read that most will need more on their 2nd cycle
to get the same gains

[lovbyts]

Ok lets go with that. It might be mostly in my head..buuut...here is my argument: if I am JUST replacing my test with the one that I am cycling (cause I am shutting mine and JUST replacing it) than I WILL NOT FEEL ANY MORE OF THE PUMP, SEX DRIVE, STRENGTH INCREASE that I already had before I cycled ...see what I mean. That is why I specifically mentioned : assuming that I still FEEL the increased effects of the steroids - pump, strength increase etc ......
The only way I will still feel that is if my test levels are above the norm ( even as a result of small test + Dec combo) - and that means real potential GAINS.

Yes if your test levels are good/normal and you only take a therapeutic dose you should not notice any change in sex drive or muscle growth.

[IRON MATT]

i'm 180 lbs 5'6" 7%bf 300mg sus e4d 200mg deca e4d was my 1st cycle just started 2nd cycle going with same cycle had good results went about 19 weeks ( i know!!!) i'm 43.....not sure how age plays in to it, came up 20 lbs last year, kept 15 solid. i don't have goo advice just putting out there what worked 4 me

[gearbox]

yes if a lower dose works for you why not run it...but as said above, you are shutting down your natural productive of test so MOST want to get a bang for their buck! imo why go through needles, buying the test, and pct, and sometimes an ai, for 200-250mg of test a week...I would always run 400+...

[jamesz123]

yes if a lower dose works for you why not run it...but as said above, you are shutting down your natural productive of test so MOST want to get a bang for their buck! imo why go through needles, buying the test, and pct, and sometimes an ai, for 200-250mg of test a week...I would always run 400+...

I see. IRON MATT thx for sharing that. 19 weeks - how was your post cycle recovery ? I know you kept most of the gains so it could not be that bad .