Whats the concensus on IM vs Sub Q

[cherrydrpepper]

I did a search but wasn't sure what the latest thread with productive discussion was. Read an old one from 2009. I've been on 23g for 2 months and sick of it so have switched to Sub Q. I have done sub q before and really did not think there was a significant difference. Even if its only 90% as effective I really don't care. Anyway whats the latest concensus based on results people are getting or hrt studies etc? If there is already a good thread please link me or tell me what title to search.

[markdbg]

ur using 23 gauge or 23 grams of gear?lol why not use 25 gauge or slin pins?both are pretty painless and getting it into your muscle works better.why the only pain comes when u break the skin so why not just go into the muscle? and get the most out of your gear? in my opinion if you cant suck it up for 10 seconds of a pinch pain u shouldnt be using steroids.

[cherrydrpepper]

ur using 23 gauge or 23 grams of gear?lol why not use 25 gauge or slin pins?both are pretty painless and getting it into your muscle works better.why the only pain comes when u break the skin so why not just go into the muscle? and get the most out of your gear? in my opinion if you cant suck it up for 10 seconds of a pinch pain u shouldnt be using steroids.

Well i checked the packaging and they are actually 22g i just misspoke. I agree with you almost fully - I would never stop gear even if I could only do it with 22 g or whatever. The pain doesn't even bother me its mostly psychological. My point is if an insulin needle does the trick why bother with deep IM. The slins I have are 29g half inch and I put them in all the way. Not wanting to go into my life story but I have had times with 5 or 6 sticks of the 22g and I kept hitting veins and blood coming out and shit. Nasty. The slin was so painless I actually injected tren into a vein yesterday because I was so used to immediately knowing when I hit a vein that I had stopped aspirating. Shame on me. The Slin however is so petite that I can go into a vein and not even know it. I now know what this tren cough thing is everyone talks about. Anyway my point is if the difference in effect is minimal then why not slin.

[Bonaparte]

Slin pin injections are only sub-Q if you're fat or pinning your glutes.
I do IM injections with 1/2" slin pins all the time (delts and triceps, mainly).

[markdbg]

even with the slin pin ur going into the muscle still. i use slin pins 29G half inch for biceps and triceps the muscle on the inside of your leg by the knee cap. 25 gauge one inch for delt glutes and quads. i know the frusteration about hitting veins, i was pinning 3cc's of tren a the other day and i hit veins 6 different times, it was a joke, if it wasnt tren i probably woulda just shot it after the 3rd time i hit a vein. not sure if its a valid reason or not but one time i didnt inject 3 cc's deep enough. lots of oil came out, then had a huge lump of oil under my skin which then got infected. i always make sure i pin into muscles. if u wanna use slin pins for everything find places that u dont carry much fat and pin there, calves/bi's/tri's are places everyone can pin with slin pin, delts and traps if your lean and well if ur shredded u can use a slin pin anywere even glutes. but you gotta be 3-4 maybe 5% for that lol

dont suggest it but if you can pin places like quads and delts/lats even at higher % bodyfat but u must flex the muscle which hurts when u put the needle in and or have the needle in. i dont advise it