MRI results for my shoulders!

[bass]

no wonder i am in pain! here are the results,

Right Shoulder,
FINDINGS: There are no fractures or destructive changes. Bone marrow within visualized bony structures demonstrates relatively normal signal intensities.

There are degenerative changes at the right acromioclavicular joint associated with mild-to-moderate hypertrophic changes on its inferior aspect.

There is a very small full thickness tear of the anterior portion of the supraspinatus tendon. There is no indication of retraction of the tendon or atrophy of the belly of the supraspinatus muscle. There are no subdeltoid or subacromial effusions. There are no abnormalities of the anterior or posterior glenoid labra. The tendon of long head of biceps is noted within the bicipital groove.

IMPRESSION:
1. There is a very small full thickness tear in the most anterior portion of the supraspinatus tendon. There is no indication of retraction of the tendon or atrophy of the belly of the supraspinatus muscle.

2. There are degenerative changes at the right acromioclavicular joint associated with mild-to-moderate hypertrophic changes on its inferior aspect.


Left Shoulder,
FINDINGS: There are no fractures or destructive changes. Bone marrow within visualized bony structures demonstrates relatively normal signal intensities.

There are degenerative changes at the left acromioclavicular joint.

There is no evidence of a tear of the rotator cuff. There are no subdeltoid or subacromial effusions. There are no abnormalities of the anterior or posterior glenoid labra. The tendon of long head of biceps is noted within bicipital groove.

IMPRESSION:
1. There is no evidence of a tear of rotator cuff.
2. Mild degenerative changes at the left acromioclavicular joint.

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i have an appointment next month to see an Orthopedic!

[APIs]

I've had R/C repair on my right shoulder twice. IMO, do the surgery & dont look back. Dont bother with rehab only. After surgery take the Physical Rehab appointments seriously. Their aim is to irritate the surgery site, which causes healing to take place. Tendons have limited blood supply - surgery, time & rehab are the only options. The rehab for R/C is a long process, a lot of people dont complete it & they pay the price by not getting full range of motion back. Two years after my second repair and I was back to benching 405 no problem. Dont be afraid to get second & third opinions to find a surgeon that you like. Good luck!

[zaggahamma]

made my shoulder hurt just reading it...i never go a day without some shoulder pain so i'm compassionate..best of luck with whatever u decide

[bass]

thanks guys. API, i am assuming you went through the surgeries and rehab before TRT, correct? i wonder if recovery will be faster while on TRT!

[JD250]

Keep us posted Bass, many of us have similar symptoms.

[kelkel]

Sorry to hear Bass! "Full thickness tear" is not nice terminology. Damn.

[jamotech]

Good luck with the orthopedic Bass! Ill be keeping an eye on this thread, its probably what ill be going thru 10 years from now!

[ConArmas]

Bass sorry about the news, but at least you know so you can fix it. Good luck brother!

[bass]

thanks guys, i will keep you posted!

[lovbyts]

Are you sure you didnt copy my MRI results from a few months ago? No I guess not because yours did not mention arthritis, especially in the right side although my left is the one in constant pain right now. My right one does show a fracture where I fractured the ball where the tendon attaches due to a HARD fall (2x in 5 minutes) skiing. Jump gone bad and bell rung so 2nd time was worse. lol

Ive been trying about everything under the sun for the last 8+ months. PT, chiropractic, ART (Auto release therapy) cortisone shots, (2x) helped maybe 30% or less, Alflutops, HA, Glucosimine, MSN, Cissus, DMSO but nothing has made much of a change. I'm about a month out from deciding to bite the bullet and do the surgery as well.

I found a good doctor I think. He is the head surgeon/doctor for the Seattle Seahawks and Mariners when it comes to arm/shoulder injuries. Dr. Khalfayan. Nice think is he was in no hurry to cut on me. He wanted to try most any option first but said yes ultimately it would probably need it. I guess he is right.

Bass, I think one of the most important thing is do as much research as you can on your doctor.

[Vettester]

Sorry to hear this bass! We are pulling for you. Keep us posted.

[bass]

thanks Vette!Thanks for the info and advice LovByts, i will definitely do my research!

[bullshark99]

Pulling for you too Bass, R/C's a tough one, keep my fingers crossed!

[APIs]

thanks guys. API, i am assuming you went through the surgeries and rehab before TRT, correct? i wonder if recovery will be faster while on TRT!

Yes, the surgery & rehab were before starting TRT. I would agree the recovery might have been easier had I been on TRT back then. Of course, that's only a guess based on how I know my body since starting TRT. While it took me the better part of 2 years to bench 405 again, I was back to benching 315 within a year after the surgery. The trick is that you must increase the weight in small increments. Only increasing weight as you get flexibility & strength back.

[bass]

Yes, the surgery & rehab were before starting TRT. I would agree the recovery might have been easier had I been on TRT back then. Of course, that's only a guess based on how I know my body since starting TRT. While it took me the better part of 2 years to bench 405 again, I was back to benching 315 within a year after the surgery. The trick is that you must increase the weight in small increments. Only increasing weight as you get flexibility & strength back.

agreed! thanks for the response and the advice.

[kelkel]

Bass, take a look at this. Maybe it's relevent. If it doesn't open up, I'll email it to you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v..._M9wM&vq=large

Ok, drag to the end of the first one then you'll see a bunch of others, click on the shoulder video in the upper left. Each individual one that you open will lead you to another group of different video's. Good stuff.

[zaggahamma]

Was doin Arnold presses this morning..nice and slow and strict and could feel like 50 little pieces in each shoulder rattling almost like gears innate bicycle ...no pain during exercise/motion but always that dull ache on the side of the delt usually left is worse like today feels better when raise my arm over my head..
Totally made me think o this post...b joining u soon basster

[bass]

Bass, take a look at this. Maybe it's relevent. If it doesn't open up, I'll email it to you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v..._M9wM&vq=large

Ok, drag to the end of the first one then you'll see a bunch of others, click on the shoulder video in the upper left.

thanks Kel, i'll check it out!

[bass]

Was doin Arnold presses this morning..nice and slow and strict and could feel like 50 little pieces in each shoulder rattling almost like gears innate bicycle ...no pain during exercise/motion but always that dull ache on the side of the delt usually left is worse like today feels better when raise my arm over my head..
Totally made me think o this post...b joining u soon basster

i really hope not JP! unfortunately thats the sound and feeling i get now, and exactly the same pain you described on your left delt!

[bass]

Bass, take a look at this. Maybe it's relevent. If it doesn't open up, I'll email it to you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v..._M9wM&vq=large

Ok, drag to the end of the first one then you'll see a bunch of others, click on the shoulder video in the upper left.

good stuff Kel, thanks!

[zaggahamma]

Doubt its the same as yours bro unless I'm a masochist because I don't slow down

[yannick35]

thanks guys. API, i am assuming you went through the surgeries and rehab before TRT, correct? i wonder if recovery will be faster while on TRT!

My sport doctor put me on TRT for that reason too, so that my body could repair itself faster. This is the reason why i decided to change my whole training and try fonctional training, P90X style.

Lifting heavy has we age can only lead to injury even with small weight increments.

My left shoulder is giving me issues, but since i back down and lift less weight its all good.

[zaggahamma]

guess i'll have to listen to that logic

[yannick35]

Bass look into prolotherapy or maybe better PRP, that could do wonders for you. My sacral region was always getting unaligned, and causing most of my back pain, i had several prolo treatments that did good but never fixed the issue, 1 palatel rich plasma treatment and the sacro illical is in place, even the new guy that gives me prolo who is a chiro told me that its so solid he would not even be able to ajust my lower back.

PRP check it out, you might be able to avoid surgery. A guy that used to work with my girlfriend got shoulder surgery twice and it really screwed him up good, he now has more pains.

Not to scare you or anything but just sitting an exemple.

[yannick35]

guess i'll have to listen to that logic

After adding deca and masteron with my 200mg of test a week i started to get really strong again, my lifts where back where i was before injury, my bench was back at 220 pounds and i am sure i could have put more.

I got a bit scared and am well aware that my body is still not 100%, i could have taken advantage of the steroids to train like crazy, or just take it easy go more cardio and body weight and heal everything up.

After all what's the use of having a 250 pound body when you gas out running up some stairs, or shoveling the first snow of the year. That's what really discouraged me this year and also made me decide to make the switch in my way of training.

I still get a great amazing pump after doing chest and back on P90X

[bass]

hey thanks for the posts Yiannik! i'll definitely look into PRP. BTW you don't have to worry about scaring me, i am already scared! LOL! another thing i like to mention is, i am scheduled to do MRI for my back soon. wish me luck.

PS. you are so right about doing light weights, been doing that for the last few weeks and i am getting better results all around.

[yannick35]

hey thanks for the posts Yiannik! i'll definitely look into PRP. BTW you don't have to worry about scaring me, i am already scared! LOL! another thing i like to mention is, i am scheduled to do MRI for my back soon. wish me luck.

PS. you are so right about doing light weights, been doing that for the last few weeks and i am getting better results all around.

I did close to 100 push ups when i did chest and back form P90X and i was pumped up. I also took light db to do the arm and shoulder program, never more then 25 pound db, i went has low has 5 pounds to do the front shoulder bent shoulder exercise, you gotta shoot for 16 reps.

I am going cardio plain and simple P90X way, this is your ultimate all around fitness.

PRP can reall work wonders even for people who got failed surgeries.

[bass]

my son is doing P90X and can't wait to see the results! so far i watched a CBC report on PRP, very interesting!

[sirupate]

my son is doing P90X and can't wait to see the results! so far i watched a CBC report on PRP, very interesting!

Bass...my wife and I are P90X's too. Tough stuff, but in a different way than is weight lifting. I had shoulder surgery some years back...maybe 6 years ago. My problem wasn't as severe as yours seems to be. My only real advice, and I think someone else mentioned it...is to take PT/rehab very seriously. Do all of it. It will hurt...especially the first couple of weeks after surgery. It took me about 6 months to be completely pain free again and about a year to get back to what I was lifting before the surgery.

All worth it...completely. I'm pain free now and have not noticed shoulder problems for a long time. I was even back at work 3 days post-surgery...office job though.

I do remember some guy next to me in post-op screaming and raving about his pain. We were all getting heavy IV pain killers...maybe he just was freaked out by the drugs. Just had to mention that for funzies...

[kelkel]

^^Funny Sirupate. Cruel, but still funny!

[bass]

Bass...my wife and I are P90X's too. Tough stuff, but in a different way than is weight lifting. I had shoulder surgery some years back...maybe 6 years ago. My problem wasn't as severe as yours seems to be. My only real advice, and I think someone else mentioned it...is to take PT/rehab very seriously. Do all of it. It will hurt...especially the first couple of weeks after surgery. It took me about 6 months to be completely pain free again and about a year to get back to what I was lifting before the surgery.

All worth it...completely. I'm pain free now and have not noticed shoulder problems for a long time. I was even back at work 3 days post-surgery...office job though.

I do remember some guy next to me in post-op screaming and raving about his pain. We were all getting heavy IV pain killers...maybe he just was freaked out by the drugs. Just had to mention that for funzies...

thanks for the info Sirupate! i don't think my injury is that severe because i can still lift and do shoulder presses with 60 pound dumbbells, but still realize its going to be a long time rehab and have to take it seriously. !!e

[yannick35]

For P90X its really tough, your son will get amazing results, this program is so complete. Being older then your son i sort of take it easy, yeah i did 100 push ups but man i paid for it later one, now i pace myself and take it easy.

But its well worth it, also i don't do 1h30 of yoga that is just insane i will pop the first 30 minutes and that is quite enough for me, i cannot do some postition like the plow, the candle, in other word anything that you stand on your head.

[keep fightin]

oh man Bass! hey at this point no retraction, no atrophy? other than pain and I assume some inflammation does this mean you are not really injuring yourself more while continuing to lift?

[bass]

i am sure i'm making it worse by lifting, i try to avoid exercises that directly effect that area, but its damn hard to stop all together!

[yannick35]

i am sure i'm making it worse by lifting, i try to avoid exercises that directly effect that area, but its damn hard to stop all together!

right on same here i got pains when i train to hard but i really wanna start again soon.

[zaggahamma]

What i can't figure out is why same delt pain after bi/tri workouts...I can only guess that area getting worked indirectly

[bass]

What i can't figure out is why same delt pain after bi/tri workouts...I can only guess that area getting worked indirectly

i get what you're describing on my left shoulder, the least injured!

[zaggahamma]

i get what you're describing on my left shoulder, the least injured!

i guess when you get your diagnosis i will say thats what i got

[lovbyts]

Damn you guys Bass and jpkman, no need to write anything, you guys are saying it all for me. Same, same. I'm trying a combination of last ditch efforts before I go under the knife also. I'm about 4 weeks away from giving the doc the go ahead. Looking for last minute miracles. LOL