Blood Pressure

[G55]

I have just started a cycle test,deca,d bal ,1 week into it i have noticed my blood pressure has increased alot. My normal was around 120 over 80 , now it has been around 150 over 90 to 95 , not sure if it is this cycle or the methadone i am trying to get off of .I was taking a prescibed 60-70 mg a day and jumped to 30 and thats when i noticed this bp issue , just wondering if anyone has had bp issues on the cycle, is an increase normal? or is it somthing else. any opinion or advise would be appreciated .

[Bonaparte]

Dude, you're still kicking an opiate addiction and you're already starting AAS? You're just going to trade one addiction for another. Please just drop the cycle until you have your life in order.

[Vettester]

Like suggested, drop the cycle, and I would also suggest getting some labs. ALT and AST labs will tell if your liver is stressed, and have them check kidney functions too.

[G55]

that has crossed my mind alot , thanks for your advise

[tomt45]

Both. I am a recovering opiate addict. I have been sober for 3 years. I was addicted to oxy and heroin for 6 years and then was on methadone for 1.5 years. My blood pressue was out of control when I was kicking methadone. You might need to get on a blood pressure med. They give opiate addicts klonodine quite a bit(thats what they gave me). But it also can be attributed to the gear. The combination of getting off methadone and doing steroids is a really bad idea!

Here is my suggestion from my own personal experience stop your cycle immediately and start pct. Do not do steroids for at least a few years. You need to get your body back to normal and most importantly make sure you can stay sober!! I wish you the best man. Its no fun to be a drug addict. Ive been there and never want to go back there. I really hope you can stay clean. I promise your life will improve dramatically if you can. Good luck bro

[G55]

Like this is going to matter , but i need to explain this i was in a bad accident when i was 17 almost died . mangled my left leg so bad years after i tried to get the doc to remove it , the nerve damage was bad , had trouble walking without falling , the bones in my foot are fused together ,my knee joint was completely severed except my patella tendon and also torn my popliteal artery , which I was bleeding internaly thats what almost killed me , years after I was so unstable my wife did not want me to hold our infant son in fear of falling with him , i am not a junkie from the streets , i want to stop using this medication but i must taper down slowly, I am not swaping addictions , but thanks for your reply

[tomt45]

Sorry to hear that man. Im not suggesting you are or were a "junkie from the streets". Really it doesn't matter. You are on methadone and when you taper off methadone it elevates your blood pressure. So does steroids. So I am just giving you my opinion. I think getting off methadone and doing steroids at the same time is a bad idea.

Just so you know kicking methadone is far worse and much more dangerous than kicking oxycontin or heroin. So work with your doctor and don't be in a huge rush to get off the stuff. Best of luck getting off the stuff!

[BBrian]

To address the question at hand and disregarding the methadone/opiate addiction for the sake of other readers, anabolics increase blood pressure quite a bit. The amount of BP depends specifically on the dosages and particular compounds. For example, the dbol in particular raises BP quite a bit compared to testosterone. Also, methodone, like other opioids, have affects on blood pressure and can alter the way in which the brain secretes chemicals to control BP. Therefore if you were to take methadone on a regular basis and then abruptly stop, this could cause an increase in BP. Besides prescribed blood pressure medications, over the counter products which aid in lowering blood pressure include products such as fish oil and aspirin, though in order to be effective aspiring must be taken at night. It should be noted, though, that one dose of aspirin inhibits vasodilation for 24-48 hours. Both of these products lower blood pressure by thinning the blood.

On the subject of opiate/opioid addiction, being in a heightened anabolic state that occurs from having high blood levels of testosterone have been shown to very effectively reduce detoxification symptoms from opiates. I don't know the exact mechanisms that make this possible but I would suspect that it has something do do with the way in which this anabolic state enhances seratonin and dopamine production, as they both have a strong relationship to the opiate receptors.

Please don't take this as me advocating the use of anabolic steroids as a means to treat opiate addiction. However, I do believe that a combination of willpower and knowledge of the chemical processes related to opiates in the brain could be very productive for combating this common addiction.

[G55]

My wife agree's , I believe i will tackle one at a time

[BBrian]

Sorry to hear that man. Im not suggesting you are or were a "junkie from the streets". Really it doesn't matter. You are on methadone and when you taper off methadone it elevates your blood pressure. So does steroids. So I am just giving you my opinion. I think getting off methadone and doing steroids at the same time is a bad idea.

Just so you know kicking methadone is far worse and much more dangerous than kicking oxycontin or heroin. So work with your doctor and don't be in a huge rush to get off the stuff. Best of luck getting off the stuff!

The positive thing about methadone and some other opioids such as suboxone, however, is that one can progressively reduce their dosages with great effect in terms of detox symptoms. This cannot be done with opiates.

[G55]

Yes thanks , that was my original plan while on cycle but after hearing what some people have to say i just might taper down , then continue cycle after ,I appreciate opinions man.

[tomt45]

The positive thing about methadone and some other opioids such as suboxone, however, is that one can progressively reduce their dosages with great effect in terms of detox symptoms. This cannot be done with opiates.

Thats not necessarily true. But it is hard to have a controlled environment where somebody will slowing wean off something like oxy or heroin. I was on methadone. I was on suboxone and I am not saying these things are necessarily bad. It can be a means to an ends. In fact suboxone played a big role in me getting sober and staying sober. But the withdrawal symptoms associated with methadone are way worse and last way longer than the withdrawal symptoms from any other opiate.

[poppz]

Methadone does not elevate blood pressure.it lowers it. Like opiates. Taking steroids would an could raise your blood pressure. Both together would cause a speedball effect. Which is bad. Get off the methadone altogether. Then jump on your juice. If u have to be on something. Then this is it.

[tomt45]

No methadone does not raise your blood pressure and nobody every said it did. But when you are in the process of getting off methadone that raises your blood pressure. When I was in treatment and getting off methadone my blood pressure was running like 180/120 at 23 years old. I agree with getting off the methadone before using aas.

[poppz]

Sorry.guess I read wrong. But anyways glad to hear your off that now

[BBrian]

To expand on my list of supplements that help with blood pressure, Taurine is also very effective in treating high blood pressure, along with being essential for cardiovascular function, among other things.

[Honkey_Kong]

Yes thanks , that was my original plan while on cycle but after hearing what some people have to say i just might taper down , then continue cycle after ,I appreciate opinions man.

G55, do you go to NA?

[choker28]

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10)and vit e will lower bp