HGH? or not to do HGH?

[hustletown]

I am new to these forums and just registered because I figured I should seek out the advice of some more "veteran" members, and HGH users, before I make a decision.

I am 21 years old, 5'8, and about 155lbs. ( I know you just laughed)

For the last year I have been sticking to a diet that I found on this website, eating about 4k calories a day, I use a pre and post work out supplement from NO shotgun and NO synthesis or whatever, daily vitamins and Omega-3, also taking this "shakeology drink in the mornings". I have seen an increase in lean muscle mass, although I have never be able to get my body weight above 160lbs or have noticed myself "bigger".

I have been on the small side my whole life and I am desperately trying to do the right thing and get big and healthy without using any potentially harmful injections. My buddy works at LA fitness and has mentioned many times that he can get me HGH, and it is the only option I would consider... I have researched it extensively.

So thats the background. Now my question is, with all these Chinese suppliers, how do I know what "blue" or "yellow" cap or potency, etc. Can anyone reccomend a supplier or is this not allowed? Feel free to PM me.

Would you say that HGH would benefit me at this age? or is my body already producing enough HGH on it's own that it would be useless and only harmful to my overall health? I have seen some pretty bad side effects from prolonged and high dose use.. I would appreciate any info on dosage, I prefer to try to just one or two cycles at first and use a low IU amount to see the effects on my body.

Thanks in advance.

[gixxerboy1]

few things about your post. You need to keep increasing your calories and intake as you grow and want to continue growing. What worked for you 6 months ago may not work now

GH is a complete waste at your age.
2nd it requires high doses for a long period of time to add muscle mass with gh
chinese yellow top blue top are crap. Not worth a penny. They arent real gh

[hustletown]

I do not see any feasible way that I can acquire pharma grade gh and my "supplier" swears by his Chinese manufacturer. One thing he said though is that it would take a few cycles of this gh to see results, where is other things I have read stated that real gh should take affect on the body almost from the first dose.

I appreciate the feedback though, you agreeing that extra gh at my age is useless at least makes me think I am doing something right.

[gixxerboy1]

of course your supplier swears by it. He is trying to sell it to you. There are plenty of threads on here about the chinese gh. No vet will say its good. Its all crap. GH take a multi million dollar lab to be able to create. No ugl lab has that. And thats why real pharm gh cost so much.

gh needs to be run for atleast 6 months
seeing results after the first injection is a joke. I dont know where you are reading that

[sgt2jay]

First everyone here will tell you that at you age dont bother. Second they will say dont touch anything from China risk isnt worth it.

If you decide to proceed any way my advise is this.

keep reading. when it comes to GH there is no such thing as a cycle you either do or you dont. you have to commit to at least a year (minimum 6 months to see results). It is a long slow process that gets expensive.

I have a feeling you will get a lot of answers you dont want but trust them these guys know what they are talking about and believe it or not most here are are looking out for health first

[sgt2jay]

gh needs to be run for atleast 6 months
seeing results after the first injection is a joke. I dont know where you are reading that

agreed i was using ugl full year saw results but i would bet it was my change in diet. now on pharm and things already changing.

HGH isnt a cycle its a life style and lifestyle cost money

[hustletown]

of course your supplier swears by it. He is trying to sell it to you. There are plenty of threads on here about the chinese gh. No vet will say its good. Its all crap. GH take a multi million dollar lab to be able to create. No ugl lab has that. And thats why real pharm gh cost so much.

gh needs to be run for atleast 6 months
seeing results after the first injection is a joke. I dont know where you are reading that

I actually read that somewhere last night, possibly from the somatropin website.. Although now that you mention it, it said something about seeing effects from the first dose, possibly increases of energy.. Did not say anything about muscle growth.

[hustletown]

agreed i was using ugl full year saw results but i would bet it was my change in diet. now on pharm and things already changing.

HGH isnt a cycle its a life style and lifestyle cost money

I appreciate your input. I am 21 and probably still have alot of gh in my glands, I would be better off at most finding the right supplements that could further help my body produce more gh on its own....

Arginine and Glutmine right?

[yannick35]

Why not go on a deca testo E cycle, would cost a lot less money then GH

[gixxerboy1]

Why not go on a deca testo E cycle, would cost a lot less money then GH

cause he is 21 and they can damage him at his age. And apparently he is smart enough to know that.

[hustletown]

Why not go on a deca testo E cycle, would cost a lot less money then GH

I feel that I would need to know a lot more about any anabolics before doing a cycle. Plus I would have to research PCT and all that... Along with some bad side effects.
I would have to monitor things closely..

[gixxerboy1]

I actually read that somewhere last night, possibly from the somatropin website.. Although now that you mention it, it said something about seeing effects from the first dose, possibly increases of energy.. Did not say anything about muscle growth.

the only thing i notice quickly when going on gh is better sleep and vivid dreams. As far as results you can see. they take a long time

[hustletown]

Alright well no need to keep this thread going, I feel reassured and will not be doing any cycles in the near future. I do not want to jeopardize my health and longevity just to see some gains that I probably could get on my own from hard work.

gixxerboy1 I really appreciate the feedback, as well as from everyone else.

I will try a new supplement swap though, possibly adding Lysine, Arginine, Glutamine. I hear this can help stimulate the pituitary.

[yannick35]

You can gain weight naturally of course i did very well for a hard gainer, starting at 138 pounds at 16 years old and reaching 204 pounds at 21 natural.

Creatine is a very good supplement, glutamine has well, and both will be a lot cheaper then HGH.

[ScotchGuard02]

Besides hurting your natural pulses of GH, HGH is too expensive to use for anabolic reasons. I really like HGH and the way it affects me. I'm older so I notice the benefits much more dramatically over a younger person. HGH does start working from day 1. It's just that the changes are so slight people never notice it. It just takes a while for the cumulative benefits to be noticed and felt. You made a good choice not to do any HGH or AAS at your age. You're producing almost 2iu HGH (natural pulses of growth hormone) per day and about 50mg of Testosterone per week. You don't really need any more right now. Have fun

[SlimmerMe]

Welcome!

Yes your body is already producing a ton of gh now. And to potentially get in the way of that by messing with your endocrine system is just not worth it.

The best thing for you to do would be to come on over to the Nutrition forum where the members can help you get the body of your dreams with the number one chemical: FOOD

And try to get as much sleep as possible since sleep is when you grow.

Good luck to you.

[Cravenmorehead]

I tried human grade Lilly HGH. Instantly made me retain more water in the lower legs and abdomen. Not impressed at all. Combine that with increased cell division with the telomeres shortening each time......I believe the widespread use of HGH by young athletes is a ticking time bomb........fortunately most of the gear out there is crap and people aren't ruining their bodies with what they believe to be legitimate products.

[yannick35]

I tried human grade Lilly HGH. Instantly made me retain more water in the lower legs and abdomen. Not impressed at all. Combine that with increased cell division with the telomeres shortening each time......I believe the widespread use of HGH by young athletes is a ticking time bomb........fortunately most of the gear out there is crap and people aren't ruining their bodies with what they believe to be legitimate products.

This is why you must never take any of theses drugs lightly, and all get proper blood work.

[Cravenmorehead]

This is why you must never take any of theses drugs lightly, and all get proper blood work.

EXACTLY! And now with the peptides, people are exposing themselves to GH spikes 10X or higher than a normal pulse. THIS STUFF HAS NO LONG TERM RESEARCH FOLKS!!! At least AAS have a long track record and the sides are well known. Treat your bodies with some honor and respect......it's an amazing and delicately balanced machine.

[Sc0rch]

chinese yellow top blue top are crap. Not worth a penny. They arent real gh

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

[gixxerboy1]

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

i really dont know what your agenda is. Yes there is unfortunately counterfeit pharm grade. U keep acting like i deny that.
There have been plenty of people on here while after taking Chinese ugl gh got bloodwork done and and it was crap. There have been plenty of people who bought gh and got ghrp.

If you really believe there is some lab out there with multi million dollars worth of lab equipment making real gh but dont produce it for pharmaceutical reasons but for the black market body builders they i dont know what to tell you.

your the only that wont let it go. I think you just wont let yourself admit you spent tons of money on garbage.

[jimmyinkedup]

I think you just wont let yourself admit you spent tons of money on garbage.

I know people want to believe that garbage is real because they spend money on it...but it goes much deeper with our boy scOrch...im sure of it.

[gixxerboy1]

I know people want to believe that garbage is real because they spend money on it...but it goes much deeper with our boy scOrch...im sure of it.

i wouldnt doubt it, with how angry he gets. The truth is probably hurting his sales

[jimmyinkedup]

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

Perhaps you should read the rules. While you can express you opinion you cannot insult other members/staff.
Calling someone a liar thatt spreads horseshit would be an insult.
Id rethink your approach....

[jimmyinkedup]

i wouldnt doubt it, with how angry he gets. The truth is probably hurting his sales

Maybe instead of Junior Member his title should be scammer???? I dunno....

[Sgt. Hartman]

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

If you're so sick of it here then you should just move on and spread your bull shit on another bb forum. There are plenty of others with members and staff that are stupid enough to buy into your agenda.

Flaming a vet and calling him a liar is a great way to get banned. Regardless of how ignorant your opinion or agenda is you're allowed to express it respectfully, which you are not. You'll be missed by no one here.

[marcus300]

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

Your deluded and won't admit you have been buying crap and wasting your money. It's been proven generics contain crap just do a search on that other forum you visit. You have zero experience with pharm grade only generic crap.

[BG]

You are a LIAR and you need to stop spreading this horseshit. It depends entirely on your source.

There is fake pharm grade that isn't worth a crap just like there is fake chinese.

I'm so sick of the staff perpetuating this LIE...it is sickening.

I'm sick of you defending fake the. We know you have a connection to the people ripping off everybody and letting people inject who knows what into their bodies. I have an idea, why don't you go to another board where people still believe your lies.

[ArmyMan04]

cause he is 21 and they can damage him at his age. And apparently he is smart enough to know that.

^ +1 21 too young wait til 25 IMO.