Need help with bulking...

[Lee250]

I have done 3 cycles all of Enath at both 500 meg each a week and 1 cycle of enath and deca 250 both at a 500 meg each a week for 10-12 weeks followed by nolva and clomid for 4 weeks after getting off.

Train HARD, eat the world but i cannot keep any weight on. I continually train when im off and dont miss many days.

I eat the required protein and calories per day with 2 shakes and 5 meals..

I have a fast metabolism and have been able to eat what i want my whole life staying rake thin.. but now its a problem and im having serious trouble fighting it. I put on stacks of weight while on the gear and look great thanks to the fact i dont have much fat on me naturally, but loose 90% over the course of about 8 weeks when i come off. Maybe im doing something wrong, maybe someone can suggest something else i should stack with it? Open for suggestions would appreciate any input

Thanks

[AD]

you might want to see a dr and get some blood tests done. make sure you are not having some metabolic condition, or hormonal problems like hyperthyroidism or hypogonadism.

if everything turns out fine, then you simply have to eat more. if 2 shakes and 5 meals aint enough, try 4 shakes and 7 meals.

but i think get the blood tests done first before you consider your next cycle

[Lee250]

Done it bro, my doctor is helping with and I've had them all done. Healthy as can be...

[AD]

good thing.

if nothing is physically wrong, would you like to list your meal times and contents?

[Lee250]

Well without listing it its high carbohydrates, but i eat shit loads of meat too. I just cant see cutting my fatty foods out for salad is going to make me grow... Little bit of fat around the stomach doesnt worry me. Its the lack of size in my arms and chest that does.

Im 6,2ft and 92kgs im also thinking maybe thats as good as it gets.. I want to be over 100kgs before id be happy.

Considering HGH as a last resort and havent yet taken the plunge towards Tren... need someone who has been in my situation and has pushed beyond.

[upperhandy]

post up a representative example of your daily diet...
that would be my guess....
it's not necessarily how much you eat as it is what you eat and when.

also check out this thread

[Lee250]

Thread was usfull..

Alright here we go. Average day...

Breakfast bowl of cereal and a shake OR 3-4 eggs with 3-4 peices of toast w bacon.

Lunch 11am last night dinner usually, pasta rice meats OR 3-4 Ham and cheese sandwiches

2pm - another meal usually take away.

6pm - Dinner (this is where i go nuts) min 1500 cal dinners ranges from..
Steak, Chicken, Tacos, Pasta with meats w/ salad or veg.

8-9pm a shake (whey + creatine)

I realise I'm not going to loose weight but surely i'd gain weight/muscle its 4000-5000 cals a day...

Tell me what to change - Keeping in mind i couldnt give a crap about gained body fat.

[leather daddy]

no way thats 4-5000 calories a day bro sorry.
maybe 3.5 max!

[Lee250]

haha and i though that was over doing it... ****. Dont know if i could squeeze more in, plus healthy you eat you need to eat even more food to make up the cals..

[leather daddy]

get urself a mass gainer bro. ON serious mass. Good shit too.

Try 2 cups of oats with a bannana aswells

[Lee250]

Yeah i have the highest calorie one in the shop haha..

Oats, yeah i'll add that as well.

Any gear that you'd recommend i havent had? Got a mate on suss he's a ****ing monster when hes off.

[leather daddy]

im on a sus250 cycle myself. Im going to get flamed big time if i recommened one bro lol. Many wil agree until you get ur diet sorted you shouldnt touch gear. But seeing as you have run multiple cycles already im not quite sure. May have to wait until more exp users come in here.

[upperhandy]

Thread was usfull..

Alright here we go. Average day...

Breakfast bowl of cereal and a shake OR 3-4 eggs with 3-4 peices of toast w bacon.

Lunch 11am last night dinner usually, pasta rice meats OR 3-4 Ham and cheese sandwiches

2pm - another meal usually take away.

6pm - Dinner (this is where i go nuts) min 1500 cal dinners ranges from..
Steak, Chicken, Tacos, Pasta with meats w/ salad or veg.

8-9pm a shake (whey + creatine)

I realise I'm not going to loose weight but surely i'd gain weight/muscle its 4000-5000 cals a day...

Tell me what to change - Keeping in mind i couldnt give a crap about gained body fat.

Alright... first....

here are some good nutrition videos to check out

next, be sure you are counting all of your macros correctly try one of the many free calorie counters found online

livestrong has an okay one

[upperhandy]

here's a 3000 kcal diet.. as an example
Meal 1
2 cups oats
2 eggs
6 eggwhites
1 Tbs Olive oil

Post-workout meal
whey shake
orange juice

Meal 2
1/3 lb hamburger
1 whole wheat bun
lettuce leaves
tomato slice
pickles
ketchup
mustard

Meal 3
1/3lb turkey burger
in lettuce wrap
with tomato
ketchup
mustard

Meal 4
2 cups salad
1/4 lb chicken
1T cesar dressing

Meal 5
2 cups nonfat cottage cheese
5 whole wheat crackers

Meal 6
whey shake

TOTAL
Calories 2955 kcal
protein 302 g
carbs 238g
fat 92g

[Lee250]

Thanks everyone... I bought scales so i can follow the advice and weight my food so i know exactly how many calories im putting in. Turns out i wasn't eating enough food around about 3000kcals, so you were right. Will do a 4 week transition up to 5000kcals.

Thanks

[sat_nam_1]

In order to trick your hypothalamic set point into believing that you are a bigger person than God intended for you to be, it is sometimes necessary to continue a cycle for a very long period of time. Some must carry the AAS induced weight for a year or more in order to reset their metabolism into believing that they need this much tissue to maintain homeostasis. That was my experience. Yoyo'd for a few years. Finally bit the bullet, went on for 9 months straight and stayed at 215-220 the entire time, when I came off, I never dropped back below 200.

[BBrian]

Glad to see you got on the bandwagon with macros. Your diet has without a doubt been holding you back. It wasn't until my current cycle that I finally took to time to start calculating macros, and it has made an ineffable difference. I've never been able to get to 200 lbs, now I'm closing in on 205. It's not until we start to calculate our macros that we really understand what we need to do differently in our diet.

As fro sat_nam_1's advice, keep in mind that taking anabolic steroids for that long is great for the sake of gaining and maintaining muscle mass, but will also cause severe gonadal atrophy issues, often leading to the need for infinite testosterone repla***ent therapy.

[upperhandy]

btw....your food choices also need some work
bacon...and ham and cheese sandwiches? there are many better alternatives

[Revelations]

btw....your food choices also need some work
bacon...and ham and cheese sandwiches? there are many better alternatives

I was thinking the same..look at changing it up a little.

[JohnnyB11]

Meal schedule based off of an 8 AM to 11:45 PM sleeping schedule:

8AM: 10 Egg whites, 3 whole eggs, 250 ML glass of milk

10:30 AM: Chunky soup Chicken, 250 ML glass of milk

1:00 PM: Huge plate of pasta (routini works best I find, very cheap and high calories) atleast 600 calories worth, and Four Cheese pasta sauce for $1.49 a can (usually 2 servings,) 250 ML of milk

3:30 PM: either chicken breast or some form of fish (up to you, this is your lean meal of the day,) 250 ML of milk

5:00 Pm: Gym until 7:00PM Post workout meal 3 packs of oatmeal, protein shake (important to replenish your carbs directly after a workout. Make sure the 3 packs of oatmeal is a staple meal, cannot be missed. Come home from gym, your creatine, an additional 250 ml of water and then 3 packs of oatmeal, 30 minutes after oatmeal, have your Mutant X whey protein 2 scoops.

8:30 PM: Cross rib boneless steak atleast 0.280 Grams (0.454 is a lbs.) 0.400 Grams of steak would be ideal. (roughly 800-1000 cals)

10:15 PM: 1 scoop of whey protein instead of your normal 2 or 3 scoops.

Also, throughout the day consume atleast 1.5L of water. Buy a 2L jug of fill it up to about 1.5 every day and through the day sip on it.

While at the gym, consume a drink after every set.

Bed at 11:45PM and repeat times 2 years and become jacked...

I based those times off the most ideal sleeping schedule, obviously that's not you... so rearrange the times to best fit your schedule, it will take about 1 month to get used to eating this much and stretching your stomach but it will happen. Good luck.

This is what has personally worked for me.

[MickeyKnox]

try this "bulking" diet..

Meal Plan

5 eggs(2 whole)
2 Multi-Grn w/Ntrl P Butter
1 Orange

Snack = Banana or Yogurt/Whey/Ntrl P Butter

2 Fillet fish or 15 med shrimp or chicken breast or tuna
1/2 cup Broccoli
1/2cup Brown rice
1 Banana

WORKOUT

(during workout)
25 grams whey isolate
5 grams BCAA
5 grams creatine

(post workout)
50 grams whey isolate
10 grams glutamine
5 grams BCAA
DAA

30min later..
Tuna (no mayo)
10 Almonds

2 Fillet fish or 15 med shrimp or chicken breast or tuna
1/2 cup Brown Rice
1/2 cup Broccoli

Snack = 5oz Tuna and 10 Almonds

Bedtime Meal
250ml Cottage cheese
25g Whey Protein

[Sgt. Hartman]

In order to trick your hypothalamic set point into believing that you are a bigger person than God intended for you to be, it is sometimes necessary to continue a cycle for a very long period of time. Some must carry the AAS induced weight for a year or more in order to reset their metabolism into believing that they need this much tissue to maintain homeostasis. That was my experience. Yoyo'd for a few years. Finally bit the bullet, went on for 9 months straight and stayed at 215-220 the entire time, when I came off, I never dropped back below 200.

That's terrible advise and it's not true.

[upperhandy]

Meal schedule based off of an 8 AM to 11:45 PM sleeping schedule:

8AM: 10 Egg whites, 3 whole eggs, 250 ML glass of milk

10:30 AM: Chunky soup Chicken, 250 ML glass of milk

1:00 PM: Huge plate of pasta (routini works best I find, very cheap and high calories) atleast 600 calories worth, and Four Cheese pasta sauce for $1.49 a can (usually 2 servings,) 250 ML of milk

3:30 PM: either chicken breast or some form of fish (up to you, this is your lean meal of the day,) 250 ML of milk

5:00 Pm: Gym until 7:00PM Post workout meal 3 packs of oatmeal, protein shake (important to replenish your carbs directly after a workout. Make sure the 3 packs of oatmeal is a staple meal, cannot be missed. Come home from gym, your creatine, an additional 250 ml of water and then 3 packs of oatmeal, 30 minutes after oatmeal, have your Mutant X whey protein 2 scoops.

8:30 PM: Cross rib boneless steak atleast 0.280 Grams (0.454 is a lbs.) 0.400 Grams of steak would be ideal. (roughly 800-1000 cals)

10:15 PM: 1 scoop of whey protein instead of your normal 2 or 3 scoops.

Also, throughout the day consume atleast 1.5L of water. Buy a 2L jug of fill it up to about 1.5 every day and through the day sip on it.

While at the gym, consume a drink after every set.

Bed at 11:45PM and repeat times 2 years and become jacked...

I based those times off the most ideal sleeping schedule, obviously that's not you... so rearrange the times to best fit your schedule, it will take about 1 month to get used to eating this much and stretching your stomach but it will happen. Good luck.

This is what has personally worked for me.

what do the macros turn out to be?