Tren cycle ??

[gmoltono]

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5'7" 191lbs 6% bf
20 years of training! Cycled on and off since I was 20!
About to start my first tren cycle!
150mg eod! Is that a good dose?
How much test do I need to run with it?
What can I expect from this cycle?
My diet is spot on for me.

[gearbox]

Tren cycles can come witha lot of sides. So many run tren at a lower dose to see how there bodies respond. Also matters tren a or e. I would run tren a at 50mg ed with test at 500. And bump to 75 if I felt good.
U think u understand controlling estro is very important on tren for prolac sides

[Chris J]

gearbox, what is your experience with tren? How many cycles of tren have you run?

[gmoltono]

I'm not sure which tren, it was made from finiplex h!

[gmoltono]

I've also read that tren doesn't convert to estrogen! But I have plenty of nolvadex just in case!

[gearbox]

gearbox, what is your experience with tren? How many cycles of tren have you run?

only one bro. I read a lot before I started mine. But I also heard many talking about running tren higher then test for less sides. But I can not quote anyone on that. Tren has some very agressive sides then compared to the others.

and op you are right. tren does not convert to estro at all.

[jasc]

I'm not sure which tren, it was made from finiplex h!

Tren A

[Armykid93]

From what i've heard you really have to be careful with tren. And if you don't take it with test you can't get a hard on at all haha. Friends told me it freaked him out bad at first

[gearbox]

From what i've heard you really have to be careful with tren. And if you don't take it with test you can't get a hard on at all haha. Friends told me it freaked him out bad at first

Most aas will do that to you. "Deca dick" I know winny alone will cause ed. Basically all cause they shut u down a little bit.

[JohnnyVegas]

Most aas will do that to you. "Deca dick" I know winny alone will cause ed. Basically all cause they shut u down a little bit.

Most AAS? I know 19-Nor gear will. Test should only effect erections if you don't keep E2 in line. And they don't shut you down a little bit...they shut you down. My understanding is that they are highly suppressive.

[gearbox]

reason I said most is because I am not familiar with every aas made. But the many common ones all lower your natural test to some degree. and the post above by army kid talking about his friend. so I was helping by adding in that all aas will shut down your natural test to some degree. and with test lower your erections will not be the same as they were before you start some aas with test as a base.

[gmoltono]

Really??? I ask a legit questions hoping to get expert advice and opinions and all I get is 2 guys arguing about whether my dick will get hard or not!! Where are the mods and vets that are supposed to answer these questions?

[JohnnyVegas]

Really??? I ask a legit questions hoping to get expert advice and opinions and all I get is 2 guys arguing about whether my dick will get hard or not!! Where are the mods and vets that are supposed to answer these questions?

Don't be a jerk. Nobody is required to give you answers. Everyone here volunteers their time and knowledge. Keep in mind the people you insult now will not be a help in the future. I didn't answer before because I was busy and thought someone else would chime in.

Here are my opinions on all your questions:

Tren is rough. You might want to start lower than 525mg/week and see how you are reacting to the sides before increasing. You say you have Tren A, so you can make adjustments as you go along and see the results pretty quickly. It will clear your system pretty quick if the sides are too harsh.

Some say take more Test than Tren. Some say you just need a base of Test and let the Tren do the work. Do some reading and make up your mind on what you want to do.

Your gains will depend on training and diet. No way to speculate.

Everyone says their diet is perfect.

[gmoltono]

Thank you johnnyVegas! By the way I didn't say my diet was perfect! I said it was spot on for me!

[JohnnyVegas]

Thank you johnnyVegas! By the way I didn't say my diet was perfect! I said it was spot on for me!

Sounds the same to me! Heh. Man, I hate that diet is so important. Why can't we eat whatever the hell we want and look and feel great? Still, you would be surprised at the number of people that say they eat right and then post a disaster of a diet.

[gearbox]

Really??? I ask a legit questions hoping to get expert advice and opinions and all I get is 2 guys arguing about whether my dick will get hard or not!! Where are the mods and vets that are supposed to answer these questions?

sorry for getting off topic op. my original post answered your question about how much to run, but yes more expert opinions in always good. That is what is so great about this forum.
Swifto talks about controlling estro on the 19 roids so you do not have prolac sides. But I think you may already be familiar with this.

[gmoltono]

Thanks gearbox!!
Johnny, I always tell my clients diet is 70% and gym is 30%! Nobody every believes me until they actually change their diet! I stay at 6-8% bf year round! I've been clean for 1year and still added 10lbs of muscle, which doesn't sound like much, but staying at 6%, it was difficult to do!

[JohnnyVegas]

Totally jealous of your body fat numbers. I was out of the gym for around six years with a back injury. Got back to the gym at the beginning of last year at 36% body fat. I am in the teens now and still heading lower. I will be happy at 12% - 14%.

[gmoltono]

Johnny, I know you probably have a ton of resources, but I have several good cutting diets if your interested! I have a couple of clients that have won npc bodybuilding shows and a couple of girls that have won figure and bikini! Let me know if your interested!

[gearbox]

Thanks gearbox!!
Johnny, I always tell my clients diet is 70% and gym is 30%! Nobody every believes me until they actually change their diet! I stay at 6-8% bf year round! I've been clean for 1year and still added 10lbs of muscle, which doesn't sound like much, but staying at 6%, it was difficult to do!

Hell ya that is difficult to do. gmoltono I would be interested in seeing one or a few. can I see a bulk and a cut. pm is possible

[gearbox]

My bad I do not think you can pm until u hit like 50 posts. crap.

[Chris J]

I am attemting too edit this

[gmoltono]

I don't have access to pm's yet gearbox! But when I do I will send you a good bulk and cut! I don't know much about gear, but I know a sh*tload about nutrition!

Thanks Chris!

[JohnnyVegas]

Johnny, I know you probably have a ton of resources, but I have several good cutting diets if your interested! I have a couple of clients that have won npc bodybuilding shows and a couple of girls that have won figure and bikini! Let me know if your interested!

Thanks for the offer, but I have a diet coach here. For most of last year I followed my own diet and slowly lost fat while gaining muscle, then I got serious about cutting late last year and went to her for help. That cut resulted in 20 of of the 40 pounds of fat I lost last year. After a year of pushing hard, I was burned out and took almost two months off (during that time my wife also had surgery and some other things happened that kept me home) and am back on it now.

I don't look like I used to yet, but last year I put on 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat. Headed in the right direction. A year ago I wouldn't even let my wife see me with my shirt off.

[stpete]

Couple quick questions...What are your goals for this cycle?

What were your previous cycles?

Do you have a PCT lined up?

The only thing i like better than tren is test. So i keep my test dosages a little higher than the tren. But that isn't the only reason. And how long did you plan on running tren?

[gmoltono]

Couple quick questions...What are your goals for this cycle?

What were your previous cycles?

Do you have a PCT lined up?

The only thing i like better than tren is test. So i keep my test dosages a little higher than the tren. But that isn't the only reason. And how long did you plan on running tren?

My goals would be to add muscle mass and stay lean.
My previous cycles have always just been test. It's all I have ever had access to! My last cycle was a year ago and I ran test cyp at 500 a week for 10 weeks
My plan was to run the tren for about 8-10 weeks!
My pct is arimadex, nolvadex and clomid!
I was gonna run the arimadex at .5 a week during the cycle

[danielbiker]

Johnny, I know you probably have a ton of resources, but I have several good cutting diets if your interested! I have a couple of clients that have won npc bodybuilding shows and a couple of girls that have won figure and bikini! Let me know if your interested!

Hey "gmoltono",

I'm a new member like you and i know i have a lot to learn.Nutrition is something that i'm really interested in.I would love to have some cutting diets from you if it's possible.Thanks a lot.

[Julz_W]

I don't have access to pm's yet gearbox! But when I do I will send you a good bulk and cut! I don't know much about gear, but I know a sh*tload about nutrition!

Thanks Chris!

Can I ask for the same diet setup plz. Trying to read all the ones that people have pre-developed.

[gearbox]

I don't have access to pm's yet gearbox! But when I do I will send you a good bulk and cut! I don't know much about gear, but I know a sh*tload about nutrition!

Thanks Chris!

from the response you are getting I would post a thread in the nutrition section. post up the diets there if you want and everyone can have access to them

[Brohim]

Hey Gmolt,

With Tren you have to watch out for prolactin. With test you took an AI to combat Estrogen and with Tren you have to take Caber or Bromo to combat Prolactin. Tren also has significatly more side effect's than Test only cycles. Tren also shuts down your HPTA system more so than Test. Tren is also 3 times stronger than Test and has a host of sides including night sweats, anxiety, and paranoia. It differ's with each person and also depends on dosage. Dosage most people take is 150 to 200mg minimum up to 4 or 500mg. Also most only run it for 6-8 weeks because of the harsh side effect's. It can also effect your hairline if you are MBP prone.

[JohnnyVegas]

^^^^ All of this above. Learn it, live it, love it. Heh.

[gearbox]

You do not have to take caber if you control estro from the get go. But u should have it on hand

[stpete]

I think you need to hold off on the tren for a little while. If your diet and training are on point you should see some nice gains already. If you're wanting to stack something w/test, deca would be a good choice. Research prop and npp. That's a good one too if you like the eod or ed injections.

[gmoltono]

I think you need to hold off on the tren for a little while. If your diet and training are on point you should see some nice gains already. If you're wanting to stack something w/test, deca would be a good choice. Research prop and npp. That's a good one too if you like the eod or ed injections.

Thanks! The only problem is, I don't have access to anything but the tren and test!

[gmoltono]

Started the tren/test cycle! 1 week in! Gave up some bf%, increased my calories a bit to get some extra mass! Already up 5lbs! Could be some water!

[pheenyx1]

You havin any trouble with the sides? Im about to try my first tren cycle, so im curious.

[gmoltono]

You havin any trouble with the sides? Im about to try my first tren cycle, so im curious.

No major sides yet! A little irritable, but can control it easily!

[cebby1985]

Glad to hear its doing well. I only did one cycle of tren a st 100eod and the only dudes I had were insane strength. Haha but ill take that. Is like to see your progress

[gmoltono]

Glad to hear its doing well. I only did one cycle of tren a st 100eod and the only dudes I had were insane strength. Haha but ill take that. Is like to see your progress

I'll post weekly progress pics and updates!

[gearbox]

I'll post weekly progress pics and updates!

Awesome. I look forward to the weekly updates and good luck to you bro.

Are you running and ai? or HCG. if so, how much?