creatine free pwo

[Porky]

i am going to take a break from my regular pwo becasue its not really giving me the intense feeling i used to get, im just wondering what the best pwo without creatine is from your experience. and if i take a pre workout without creatine then go back to say jack3d will i still get the intense effect i used to from jack3d?

[Turkish Juicer]

A 200mg Caffeine tablet 15 mins. prior to your workout.

[Porky]

is 200mg enough to really give you a good kick ? i have a really high tolerance to any stimulants

[Ashop]

I like caffeine myself too. Usually in a form of STRONG coffee.
Some people like the 1,3 Dimethyl products if you like intense.

[Porky]

I like caffeine myself too. Usually in a form of STRONG coffee.
Some people like the 1,3 Dimethyl products if you like intense.

i know jack3d had dimethyl 1,3 in it so im going to have to look for something that has that without the creatine. hmmmm

[Byakko]

I suspect the reason you're no longer getting the intense feeling is that you've gotten too accustomed to caffeine and/or other stimulants in the preworkout mix. I don't think creatine ought to be cycled any more than, say, protein. There's a FAQ in this section that says the same thing.

[nkyle90]

Creatine has nothing to do with the intense feeling you get when taking jack3d. It's the 1,3 dimethyl and the caffeine. You're building a tolerance to the stimulants and need to cycle off of those, not the creatine.

[Porky]

Creatine has nothing to do with the intense feeling you get when taking jack3d. It's the 1,3 dimethyl and the caffeine. You're building a tolerance to the stimulants and need to cycle off of those, not the creatine.

i dont want to retain any water and thats the only reason i was going to cycle off, but people are telling me there isnt enough creatine in jack3d to really make a difference. thats all i was worried about. 4 or 5 days off jack3d and i get that intense buzz again