Anybody with long cycle eperience??

[getfit28]

Yes, I know and please don't bash me and if you are just don't comment....

I've been on a cycel since Nov (5 months now) and planning on comming off in June...
My cycle consisted of
Test P, Trenbolone E, Adorprophen, Test 400, D-bol,....

I had very good gains and satisfied with it all till this current cycle I'm on now which consisted of
Anroprphen, Deca and D-bol.... The damn Dbol started giving me Gyno and I should have kown that
when I first ran Dbol and gave me gyno years back... I dropped the d-bol and jumped on Letro
(C bino gyno reversal method).... Now that I'm in the process of reversing it I started loosing mass and I know it's cause of the letro.. Oh well.. once I get this gyno down I'm sure my mass will come back (done it before)....... Anyway, I'm kind of scared of comming off as I have not been using HCG...

In June how would you recomend in dosing the HCG (I will also be using clomid and Nolva too for my pct ofcours)

Any of you long cycle users please PM me as I have some questions.. I know there has to be some as I seen them at my gym..... I see dudes that are mass/ripped all year long which tells me they never come off and if they do not for a long time... How do they do that????

[gixxerboy1]

i would start the hcg now at 250 iu 2x a week up till pct. i would do a 6 week pct of nolva + clomid
i doubt the letro made you loose mass it was probably water

[getfit28]

i would start the hcg now at 250 iu 2x a week up till pct. i would do a 6 week pct of nolva + clomid
i doubt the letro made you loose mass it was probably water

You're probably right, it's just water.... So you're saying stop the HCG when I begin my pct, right?
Thanks and good looking out.... 7 month cycle is not bad right?
Also, this might be a stupid question but I have trenbolone e on hand and I see some people stacking deca, tren and test.. Some do not agree with it and some very few get good results.. what are you thought of it? I was thinking of adding my tren e with what I'm on now (adroprophen and deca).. yeah or nae??? after this (in June) I will take a break before I jump back on but I will start the HCG NOW.. thanks once again

[Turkish Juicer]

I decided to contribute to this thread only to answer your questions and try to help you, not to bash you. Just wanted to make this clear, before anything else.

My longest cycle was a 16 week cycle, and I believe I could not have possibly recovered from it like I did if it was not for the proper use of HCG and an AI throughout the cycle. Proper use of HCG and and AI of the right choice paves the road for a successful PCT.

I will try to answer your questions and bring in my own perspective on some of the issues mentioned in your thread;

1. I would immediately start an HCG injection protocol of 500iu E3D, running it up until 7 days before PCT.

2. I would not recommend stacking Deca and Tren, you can possibly suffer from very nasty side effects, I doubt this is worth taking the risk.

3. I would advice you to start considering NOT to extend your cycle to 7 months, unless you want to end up with very low test levels in the end. It seems that you have not controlled the estrogen properly during your cycle, nor have you followed a proper HCG injection protocol, which are contributing factors to not only greater sides but also greater long term HTPA issues. You can only count so much on PCT compounds once your prolonged cycle is over, I doubt your natural test levels will be recovered to the full extent, meaning that your body will most likely not ever produce as much natural test once everything is done and over with. This makes you a definitive future candidate for TRT/HRT, so you may as well start to look into that.

4. Guys who carry a mass and be ripped all year around are generally those who are either running long cycles and will end up in TRT, or are already in TRT and most likely implementing blast & cruise method. There are many vets who are on TRT here and I am sure at least a few will affirm what is being told here.

As for your PCT, I would suggest a rather aggressive protocol, that is, if you want to restore as much natural test as possible after this is done and over with.

Nolvadex 40/40/20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50

Good luck.

[stpete]

I would start running HCG @ 250iu E3D to PCT.

Nolva
40/40/40/40/20/20

Clomid
100/100/50/50/50/50

[getfit28]

Tukish Juice, you hit it on the spot.. I believe everything you say.. I was too concern that I might not recover completely.
So after I finish my pct how can I look into a TRT or HRT.. Do I just go to my doc and get blood work hoping that my test levels are low.... I kind of would like to be TRT so I can blast and curise or can I curise and blast on my own without a doc?

[Turkish Juicer]

Everything comes with a price, so do prolonged cycles. Longer the cycle is, longer is the delay for your HTPA to restart. Chances of successfully restarting the HTPA after prolonged cycles are much lower than those of burst cycles and even if HTPA is restarted possibly due to the successful implementation of PCT compounds, this nonetheless does not guarantee full recovery of natural testosterone levels. I don't see how someone could possibly recover completely after a 7 month long cycle...

Back to your question. Once your PCT is over, I would wait for several weeks to get BW done to make sure it is precisely your natural test levels showing up on the paper that your body produces now, as opposed to the PCT triggered and elevated pseudo levels.

Go to an endo to get your BW done, and tell him that you have run a long AAS cycle with multiple compounds at relatively high doses right away... This will be very helpful to him to understand the reason why such low levels of natural test are portrayed as the result of BW, if this turns out to be the case of course. Only then, you can sit down and talk about your TRT option.

Anyone can self-prescribe TRT I guess, although I would not want to be the one to recommend this, because it is your health. The point of being on TRT is that your hormone levels as well as many other biological indicators such as your liver enzyme levels are CONSTANTLY being monitored and controlled by a medical professional. An afternoon visit once a week to the doctor's office is a must IMO.

[gixxerboy1]

Go to an endo to get your BW done, and tell him that you have run a long AAS cycle with multiple compounds at relatively high doses right away... This will be very helpful to him to understand the reason why such low levels of natural test are portrayed as the result of BW, if this turns out to be the case of course. Only then, you can sit down and talk about your TRT option.

this is not a good idea. This can screw you with health insurance for life

[awms]

why would you go off in june? thats 7-8 months on? why put your self at risk of shutting your self down for life? 20 weeks is long but you should still be able to recover with no problems as long as you run proper pct....you wait another couple months and your playing with fire Imo.

[lovbyts]

this is not a good idea. This can screw you with health insurance for life

I fully agree with this. Turkish Juicer, the laws are very different here in the US and even with the so called doctor patient confidentiality it can easily effect your whole life in a negative way.

[lovbyts]

Double post

[Turkish Juicer]

this is not a good idea. This can screw you with health insurance for life

I did not know that.

Although I should have guessed since AAS is amongst controlled substances in FDA's list...

[Turkish Juicer]

I fully agree with this. Turkish Juicer, the laws are very different here in the US and even with the so called doctor patient confidentiality it can easily effect your whole life in a negative way.

gotcha ;-)