..wtf is going on with my cycle?

[dknauf90]

I have blank 300 test e.. first cycle. I literally immedaitely noticed a difference. Within the first week, I could feel the pumps, my weight went up 4 lbs, my lifts went up etc. which is uncommon, but Im just assuming my natural test is low. I was up 10 lbs at the end of week two.. over the last week, the kick has disappeared and ive actually dropped a couple lbs.

I have been overtraining and have stopped as of a few days ago. My diet did clean up a little bit (500 or so calories less a day, probably at 3300 or so). I am checking the scale today and it looks like I did finally go up again.. But I've done more research on blank and foudn that their test is probably underdosed. That wouldn't explain the initial kick though, and then its immediate drop off.. its either gonna work or it wont, right?

I'm probably going to end up switching to another lab (and hopefully get it before my next injection) but I did boost my intake to a whopping 900mg (after reading that this stuff is probably closer to 200mg rather than 300 per ml). Any advice? anyone ever heard of anything happening like this before? diet is pretty dialed in, have always been getting around 2g per lb of bodyweight..

[leather daddy]

doesnt kick in till about week 5 mate

[DanB]

edit out lab name please mate, lab or source discussion isnt allowed on the open forum

900mg is far too much unless your pretty experienced, and no offence but i doubt it because if you were then you wouldnt ask this question to begin with, as said above it takes roughly 5 weeks to kick in, the weight increase at start is water nothing else

what are your stats mate?

[leather daddy]

edit out lab name please mate, lab or source discussion isnt allowed on the open forum

900mg is far too much unless your pretty experienced, and no offence but i doubt it because if you were then you wouldnt ask this question to begin with, as said above it takes roughly 5 weeks to kick in, the weight increase at start is water nothing else

what are your stats mate?

spot on

[dknauf90]

Everything I've read says this lab increidbly underdoses and 300 is actually 200. so 900 is actually 600, which is fine..

I know its supposed to take 5 weeks, but my bench is up 30 lbs, the pumps are ridiculous, the libido is strong (although all of these are less prevalent than a week ago, including that 'on' feeling).. It is possible in some situations for it to hit hard if someone has low testosterone. It couldn't all be placebo. 10 lbs of water?? my results are actually pretty on par with every log i've read from a straight test cycle..

Im 5"10, at 185, 12 %, turning 25 this month. The only other important bit of info I can think of is that I did drop 35 lbs in the 4 months leading up to this cycle, so maybe its part muscle memory/creatine etc..

Ive seen many many logs saying it kicks in week 2 or 3.. thats counterproductive to my experience as i feel it less (which could be a moot point if its placebo). but by that logic, it means 20 lbs are gained from week 5 to week 8?? that seems unrealistic.

This as you can tell is my first cycle

[DanB]

is it test e or one of their blends?

I have never heard of test e kicking in on week 2, week 3 mabey, im not saying it isnt possible just unusual

and they underdosed but not by that much mate, ive used it

EDIT

actually basically your frontloading which could attribute to it kicking in quicker

[DanB]

hope your using an a.i, should be used regardless but especially with a substantial dose such as yours

[dknauf90]

this was my first extra dose.. need to do some thinking tomorrow. Which will be difficult because what i'm feeling from it just isnt consistent.. effects are dropping off it seems. no ai. 900 is probably too much.. maybe Ill do 2.5 ml a week and just order another vial from a different lab to finish it out.

[DanB]

that still alot for first cycle i.m.o

thats 750mg so realistically 700mg or 720ish, not that high I guess but more than you need for current stats and goals

do you know why an a.i is needed? i can give you some info on it if you want, personally I wouldnt cycle without one

[dknauf90]

I just dont want to **** up my first cycle, I know its the biggest... I just want to be at 600 actual mg. ill do the math and work it out, but is there anything else to be taken into consideration other than just being underdosed? like the actual product just sucks for whatever reason? I mean, countless bad reviews on this lab..

I'm using clomid and nolva for my pct, didn't think an oct was necessary unless Im stacking other compounds..

[DanB]

whats oct, you mean otc?

an a.i. isnt otc, is perscription only, i.e. illegal same as gear nolva and clomid, but your source for the gear and clomid will sell it, you need either armidex or aromasin

but here make your own decision if you want it or not, dont just get it because i said to, here is a thread explaining the reasons behind using it

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.T2FGr3ktmSo

[dknauf90]

nono, on cycle therapy...

everything i've seen says arimidex and aromatose is only really necessary for deca dbol test

[DanB]

read the thread i linked

you have pct, post cycle therapy

and a.i. aromatase inhibitor

on cycle therapy isnt wrong defination really but its not a commonly used term

[songdog]

The best thing you can take is advice.Seems you dont listen well.500mg a week? Do some reading in the educational threads.

[ironbeck]

Patience is a virtue, you will be kicked and full on in week 4-5, also from what I understand Test E is a slow acting ester so a AI shouldn't be necessary until week 4 unless your getting estrogen signs earlier.If anybody has any corrections or constructive critizim pls add.

[DanB]

nono, on cycle therapy...

everything i've seen says arimidex and aromatose is only really necessary for deca dbol test

and by the way where have you seen that says it only necessary on test/deca/dbol

was it this forum on another?

there alot of poor info out there mate, people talking shite

the thread i linked has studys attached, i dont think anybody can produce a study which says it aint necessary unless it test/deca/dbol, in fact i know they cant produce a study saying it, because it dosnt exist

[adamjames]

so you think 900 mgs MIGHT be around 600 mgs of your particular gear so your taking 900??.........not a good way to go about a cycle IMO you have to know how much it is you cant go around guessing doses

[gonzo6183]

Get your bloodwork done if you want to work out the potency

[darkcrayz]

well your weight shot up initially from the estrogen; that was water weight. you did not put 4 pounds of muscle on in a week.

the test doesnt reach peak blood levels until week 3-5. you had a an initial kick because you did a test increase because as soon as you inject it will start being absorbed; though not peak for a few weeks. you strength shot up because you had some extra test and felt better.

the pumps/kick wore off because your body is adjusting and its no longer a 'new feeling' but a more consist overall adjust to the body. overall you still feel better?

you cleaned the diet up. so you lost weight. your metabolism is starting to adjust to the increased hormones.

the initial kick has to do with an overall increase in hormones, not specific to 600mg vs 900mg.

you need blood work for hormone levels to see if its underdosed. i thought mine was underdosed and got tested.

why the **** are you running 900mg test?

[Revelations]

^^^^exactly^^^^